It seems this is the new norm….I am really getting tired of having this conversation. At what point are Liberals going to get with the program? Let see them try that in a place like China and see what happens.
Police and Military cannot protect us. They can only react to an event once it has happened. Only citizens can truly protect each other.
The funny thing is that these terrorist are playing into Trumps hands. A reactionary guy like him will have no problem going after them with great intensity. If the terrorist would lay low until the elections, Hilary would probably have a much better chance of winning and she would continue the appeasement policies of Obama and promote the migration of Muslims.
According to Loretta Lynch, we just need to love them a little more - “Our most effective response to terror and hatred is compassion, unity and love.”
That made me think of this thing I saw online:
“It must be incredibly frustrating as an Islamic terrorist not to have your views and motives taken seriously by the societies you terrorize, even after you have explicitly and repeatedly stated them. Even worse, those on the left, in their endless capacity for masochism and self-loathing, have attempted to shift blame inwardly on themselves, denying the terrorists even the satisfaction of claiming responsibility.
It’s like a bad Monty Python sketch:
“We did this because our holy texts exhort us to do it.”
“No you didn’t.”
“Wait, what? Yes we did…”
“No, this has nothing to do with religion. You guys are just using religion as a front for social and geopolitical reasons.”
“WHAT!? Did you even read our official statement? We give explicit Quranic justification. This is jihad, a holy crusade against pagans, blasphemers, and disbelievers.”
“No, this is definitely not a Muslim thing. You guys are not true Muslims, and you defame a great religion by saying so.”
“Huh!? Who are you to tell us we’re not true Muslims!? Islam is literally at the core of everything we do, and we have implemented the truest most literal and honest interpretation of its founding texts. It is our very reason for being.”
“Nope. We created you. We installed a social and economic system that alienates and disenfranchises you, and that’s why you did this. We’re sorry.”
“What? Why are you apologizing? We just slaughtered you mercilessly in the streets. We targeted unwitting civilians - disenfranchisement doesn’t even enter into it!”
“Listen, it’s our fault. We don’t blame you for feeling unwelcome and lashing out.”
“Seriously, stop taking credit for this! We worked really hard to pull this off, and we’re not going to let you take it away from us.”
“No, we nourished your extremism. We accept full blame.”
“OMG, how many people do we have to kill around here to finally get our message across?”“
The terrorist want American to suffer. The best way to do that is to coax us into another trillion dollar war. In the scheme of things the 100 or so Americans that terrorist have killed on American soil since 9-11 is unfortunate but insignificant. More people have probably choked to death on French fries in the same span of time.
However if you get the US to start a war it heavily burdens the whole country. If you allow unwarranted surveillance as a result of the attacks you are robbing the American people of their constitutional rights and causing more unrest between different political parties or the government and its people.
The terrorist likely want trump to win. He’s a hot headed idiot with no experience, just another way to make America suffer.
They want more than for Americans to suffer. What they want is “a global caliphate secured through a global war.” Until we recognize that, we’ll continue to be off base in our response. The left says we need to understand them - let’s start with that.
The terrorist want American to suffer. The best way to do that is to coax us into another trillion dollar war. In the scheme of things the 100 or so Americans that terrorist have killed on American soil since 9-11 is unfortunate but insignificant. More people have probably choked to death on French fries in the same span of time.
However if you get the US to start a war it heavily burdens the whole country. If you allow unwarranted surveillance as a result of the attacks you are robbing the American people of their constitutional rights and causing more unrest between different political parties or the government and its people.
The terrorist likely want trump to win. He’s a hot headed idiot with no experience, just another way to make America suffer.
The Western World is already at war with radical Islam. A lot of people just haven’t figured that out yet. There has to be some pretty good ideals that are between a Trillion Dollar War and Just loving them and let the come into the country with no way of vetting them…
Trump actually is big into to cutting their money off and taking their oil.
Appeasement isn’t the answer. How many more terrorist attacks does it take to finally say we need to do something more than Kum-Bi-Ya?
There is a reason you don’t see it happen in countries like China or even Russia, despite Russia bombing them. They would likely come down harder with an iron fist.
Sad thing is, you might have to push to try and put someone in power of that country like a Saddam to control the madness. Once you war with them, and blow them to oblivion, the next wako steps up and makes his own new ISIS. You have to control the region or put someone in control of the region. Full control, not just saying we are there.
2 trillion in wars is a lot more than Kum-Bi-Ya. But I agree that we need something going on over there.
If taking their money was so easy I would assume we would have already done it. Taking their oil would be a tough PR move and likely would just massively increase their recruiting abilities. IMO the large majority of Muslims are not a threat so it would be best to keep it that way. Also every attack on American/European targets that I can think of was pretty low budget so far. I’m not so sure that cutting off the oil supply to a millionaire would really slow down his ability to support attacks that only cost a few thousand bucks to perform.
IF you were to invade and take the oil basically the entire world would have to be involved. US, EU, UK, Russia, and China at a minimum. Otherwise you would be threatening the energy source of powerful countries and trigger the last world war. Though not an impossible operation it would still be costly financially and all the powers of the world colonizing a large chunk of the middle east would create some more opportunities for friction between guys that nobody wants to see get in a fight. This would also damn the civilians of the ME by crushing their economy. Honestly it would probably cost us a lot of money and end up being the best recruiting tool the terrorist have, paying for a problem yet again. Unless you want to kill all the inhabitants of the oil fields it’s probably a bad move. I would rather not start this genocide.
I don’t know the limits of our military tools so bear with me. How about we use satellites and drones to keep an eye out for training camps. Put spies in to track the movements and identify the members of the organizations and then monitor them with their own electronics. If you feel you have enough fish in the net at one time then send a few missiles. I would assume this is achievable at a relatively low cost and requires few boots on the ground.
Economically I agree that it would be smart to reduce their oil sales but the only way to do this an not invade is to find alternatives to oil. I know there are many tech thieves out there (China) but I also think its a good investment for the US to support green initiatives. If we make US cities and cars more fuel efficient then we can sell that tech to the rest of the world. There is potential to profit from something that will take money away from the ME and yield no recruiting benefits to radicals. There is also the added benefit of cleaning up our ecosystem. Whether of not you believe in global warming I think we can agree that less power consumption is good for everyone.
It’s a really tricky situation, and one you really can’t regulate (which is part of the problem) but limiting their internet ability is one of the best routes to winning. Cut their social media and internet ties and they become VERY isolated. It’s how they recruit, it’s how they arrange for people to travel to and from them, it’s how they coordinate attacks like Paris. Problem is, you really can’t start stepping on those wide open internet boundaries without widespread problems and questions on other issues and privacy and what not. It will start out shutting down ISIS and end up in a US court from some high and mighty me generation kid suing the US for internet regulation. I think it is a key to them operating though and one we somehow have to be able to control. I wish groups like Anonymous would work more to take their stuff down as soon as it pops up.
Most of the attacks, at least over here are carried out by lone wolf types with no physical connection to ISIS other than online. Elsewhere it’s immigrants and those that have actually interacted with ISIS on a more personal note, but not here in the US.
I think restarting GITMO and our CIA intelligence tactics would go a long way in helping us stay out in front of this stuff. We’re flying the drones more now, but could be better. Go back to bush era drone program. Bin Laden wrote in his letters Drones were the biggest fear amongst Taliban fighters. They were one of Bin Laden’s greatest fears and the thing he said that could potentially de-rail everything….yet we slowed the program down, shut down intelligence feeds by shutting down GITMO, stopped “waterboarding”, etc. You gotta accept some tough things to be safe.
Our other option is to fund Elon Musk, get us into space so that one we can colonize outward hopefully for the better, and 2 so he/we can find aliens faster and blow the whole religion thing up in a puff of smoke. That would be great. Eliminates so much hate, violence, and arguments.
We don’t have to engage in a Trillion dollar war at this point to make an impact in the War on terror.
There are some common sense things this nation can do to help. Most of these are designed for assimilation into the American Culture..
1. There must be vetting method for immigration to determine as best as possible a person’s background. If it cannot be vetted you cannot immigrate to America.
2. Any immigrant from any background must agree to accept the US Constitution as the supreme law as a condition of living here. Sharia Law or anything similar must be renounced.
3. English needs to be the official language and an immigrant must be required to learn our language by a certain time or be subject to deportation after a reasonable probation period.
4. I think the entire nation should adopt the new SC law requiring the Constitution to be taught in school.
5. Profiling should be legal. If certain groups based on race, religion,etc are demonstrating a disproportionate amount of illegal or possible illegal activity then domestic eavesdropping should be allowed.
I have more, but I have to go to work..to be continued
Problem is the terrorists in this country, like I’ve said, are the more lone wolf types. They are already citizens, they already speak English, they are your normal everyday Americans that are acting on their crackpot radicalized ideals under the wide banner of radical Islam, or rather loosely tied to radical Islam to try and further the cause. It’s two different animals. We aren’t dealing with as many immigrant issues as Europe or the rest of the world. Part of the reason being our security is always at a much higher state in everyday life after 9/11. In the airports of Europe you don’t even half to remove your shoes to fly, stuff like body scanners are a rarity, it’s just a totally different animal getting around in and into the US than it is in Europe. Like this whole Brexit thing, if you had a passport that falls under a EU country, you could get EU “fast pass” type of treatment at airports that will speed you through customs. Who knows what is being let in with a system like that. Everyone just needs to tighten up, sad but true. People complain about long security lines and it taking forever, for me take as long as you need please, I’d rather be safe than impatient.
That’s just traveling too. People need to look up from their cell phones now and then and observe who and what is around them. One of the bombers in the latest attack was wearing a heavy winter coat in 85 degree weather. We have to be proactive along with our government.
You can teach and push the constitution all you want, but you also must realize what you are pushing could be interpreted to allow them such freedoms to operate.
Problem is the terrorists in this country, like I’ve said, are the more lone wolf types. They are already citizens, they already speak English, they are your normal everyday Americans that are acting on their crackpot radicalized ideals under the wide banner of radical Islam, or rather loosely tied to radical Islam to try and further the cause. It’s two different animals. We aren’t dealing with as many immigrant issues as Europe or the rest of the world. Part of the reason being our security is always at a much higher state in everyday life after 9/11. In the airports of Europe you don’t even half to remove your shoes to fly, stuff like body scanners are a rarity, it’s just a totally different animal getting around in and into the US than it is in Europe. Like this whole Brexit thing, if you had a passport that falls under a EU country, you could get EU “fast pass” type of treatment at airports that will speed you through customs. Who knows what is being let in with a system like that. Everyone just needs to tighten up, sad but true. People complain about long security lines and it taking forever, for me take as long as you need please, I’d rather be safe than impatient..
They may be lone wolves in that they weren’t born in the middle east and trained from birth, but in San Bernardino, Orlando, Fort Hood, Boston etc. , they were all declared Muslims of a certain age range that matches the typical age worldwide, they had all made contact with radical people online and/or had traveled to the middle east more than once, they had all raised the alarm of people around them with their words and actions, and they all had come to the attention of the FBI prior to their attacks. There are certainly patterns and points they all have in common.
We don’t have the same problems as in Europe, but neither did they at one point. We’re asking for it if we bring in a hundred thousand from Syria that we can’t really vet effectively. We have communities in Michigan, Minnesota, NY and other places that certainly have them. There is a Muslim community in York, SC, that is closed off where you are not allowed to enter.
Clemtgrs - 30 June 2016 10:03 AM
That’s just traveling too. People need to look up from their cell phones now and then and observe who and what is around them. One of the bombers in the latest attack was wearing a heavy winter coat in 85 degree weather. We have to be proactive along with our government.
Completely agree. The public is asleep and discounts what they see - or worry about offending someone.
Clemtgrs - 30 June 2016 10:03 AM
You can teach and push the constitution all you want, but you also must realize what you are pushing could be interpreted to allow them such freedoms to operate.
That is certainly true. Our freedoms do make it easier for them to move and operate.
Another day another terrorist attack. IMO it would be billions and trillions well spent to wipe this scourge off the face of the earth….with napalm.
If these terrorist attacks continue around the world (which I think will happen) it will be interesting to see how far nations like the US, France, England, etc will be willing to go to “wipe them out”. Unless nations are willing to fight on their level this will go on for generations. I don’t believe you can “love them” into changing their ways.
If sure seems that it “Us or them”...There doesn’t seem to be a change of peaceful co-existence. How long have the Jews and been fighting with the Middle East Muslims? 2000 years?
