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Posted: 10 November 2016 10:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 46 ]
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SoPinesHeel - 09 November 2016 07:38 PM

More Americans voted for her than him but that doesn’t matter to you. The fact that you want to chant that about a political opponent is what is so scary to me. That is third world banana republic stuff. We have professional law enforcement and they don’t agree with you on any of it, but hey Facebook internet memes tell you so as do radio talk show hosts. Amazing you will believe anything about her and deny everything about him.

Much of the professional law enforcement does agree which is why there is a rift in the FBI, and she’s still under investigation by the FBI for the foundation.

As for the electoral college, it was created to avoid tyranny by the majority - to protect the minority. If you get rid of it, you create a special interest group for each state. A candidate can go to California, New York and a few others and make specific promises to them and end up as President and to the detriment of much of the country. As the country was founded, as a group of independent states, there is no way they would have ever agreed if the least populated were to give away their voice to the larger states. We’ve moved so far toward a strong central government and away from the power resting with the states that this rationale is lost on many.

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Posted: 10 November 2016 10:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 47 ]
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Again what would you all be saying if the roles were reversed?


Pines, I don’t expect you to believe me, but all I can say is that On My Honor (Scout Law) before every presidential election, I tell my friends around me that I accept the electoral college.  I actually expected Trump to win the popular vote and Hilary to win the electoral college and would have accepted the decision because I believe in this process so strongly.  I certainly would not be running around in the streets like a spoiled as is going on now…

You accuse me of being a big government guy but you say things like wanting a mob rules mentality of a national popular vote over a method that truly keeps the States as the gate keeper to tyranny…..Interesting.

Pines, you are an intelligent fellow…let me ask you a question, if there anything thing that this nation has ever voted on the required the popular vote?  I cannot think of a thing…Even amending the constitution requires each state to independently approve proposals…Who you support a national referendum on amending the constitution?

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Posted: 10 November 2016 10:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 48 ]
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It’s not lost on me, it’s just outdated.

In this election we gave in to hate…you would think all the Star Wars fans would get that.
Garrison Keillor doesn’t exactly State my position but he does a more eloquent job than me in this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-voters-will-not-like-what-happens-next/2016/11/09/e346ffc2-a67f-11e6-8fc0-7be8f848c492_story.html?wpisrc=nl_p1most-partner-1&wpmm=1


My wife said that yesterday at our high school, a group of students stood just off grounds and chanted “build the wall” at all the other kids arriving many of whom are hispanics and black and likely not trump supporters. I think they did it cause they believe in America as a land for all.

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Posted: 10 November 2016 11:00 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 49 ]
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No I don’t think so as to amending but I think there is only one office that represents everyone and that is the President. Why should he not be elected by all.

Twice in the past two decades the population picked a candidate that didn’t win. It only happened one other time in history. That is wrong.

I don’t think I said you were for big government. But we should all be for decency and inclusion and not divisiveness and hate. This election was hate and I don’t see how trump brings us together and also does anything he campaigns on.

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Posted: 10 November 2016 11:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 50 ]
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I agree the electoral college is still the way to go. It requires candidates to give attention to the nation as a whole. When my two kids were younger we talked about this, and I said it was like 50 little elections rather than one big election. To that end it does ensure the minority has a voice. This country has migrated itself in a way. The more “liberal” folks are now on the west coast and in the northeast. The large majority of the rest can go either way (except maybe Texas). While the south as a rule does vote republican, it can go other ways. In any event… Gore won with more votes… Bush won… now this. It happens, We survived then, and will now.

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Posted: 10 November 2016 11:08 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 51 ]
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No man not true, the electoral college makes candidates only care about battlegrounds. A national vote makes candidates campaign nationally.

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Posted: 10 November 2016 11:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 52 ]
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SoPinesHeel - 10 November 2016 10:56 AM

It’s not lost on me, it’s just outdated.

In this election we gave in to hate…you would think all the Star Wars fans would get that.
Garrison Keillor doesn’t exactly State my position but he does a more eloquent job than me in this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-voters-will-not-like-what-happens-next/2016/11/09/e346ffc2-a67f-11e6-8fc0-7be8f848c492_story.html?wpisrc=nl_p1most-partner-1&wpmm=1


My wife said that yesterday at our high school, a group of students stood just off grounds and chanted “build the wall” at all the other kids arriving many of whom are hispanics and black and likely not trump supporters. I think they did it cause they believe in America as a land for all.

I worked just as it’s supposed to, you just don’t like the outcome. It gave a voice to middle America which would be lost in another system.

There is hate and racism on both sides of the aisle and with the independents. That’s a human condition, not a political one. Some people may be chanting horrible things and that’s sad. I would suggest that the divide created that gave rise to BLM chanting for the killing of officers and attacking people for being white is also not nice. What we gave way to is the voice of middle America tired of being overlooked and told it was good that we were letting laborers flood the job market and that they should appreciate health insurance premiums as high as their mortgages.

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Posted: 10 November 2016 11:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 53 ]
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SoPinesHeel - 10 November 2016 11:08 AM

No man not true, the electoral college makes candidates only care about battlegrounds. A national vote makes candidates campaign nationally.

No, they understand where their support is or isn’t and go where electoral college votes may be undecided. In a national vote, they would choose based on population versus states. The electoral college is doing exactly what is was supposed to do.

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Posted: 10 November 2016 11:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 54 ]
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SoPinesHeel - 10 November 2016 11:00 AM

No I don’t think so as to amending but I think there is only one office that represents everyone and that is the President. Why should he not be elected by all.

Twice in the past two decades the population picked a candidate that didn’t win. It only happened one other time in history. That is wrong.

I don’t think I said you were for big government. But we should all be for decency and inclusion and not divisiveness and hate. This election was hate and I don’t see how trump brings us together and also does anything he campaigns on.

It is very fair to discuss the way this campaign was conducted by both sides and how the media was really outed in their collusion with the DNC and the Hilary campaign.  Some of it is a sign of the times thanks to social media, information overload and a 24-7 news cycle…..There were no saints in this election.

We also saw exposure of how very corrupt both the DNC and RNC are in the way Bernie Sanders was treated and how they essentially anointed HRC and no vial democratic contender was allowed to run..

It is another thing to want to remove a time honored and durable election process that has made the US the current oldest established government on the planet.

I am thankful we have a fantastic process in place that allows consistency as the time and society change.

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Posted: 10 November 2016 11:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 55 ]
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And you only like it cause you do like the outcome. I have said on here long ago that the system is outdated.

I don’t disagree with your assessments but the stupidity is they should be Bernie supporters not Donald supporters…but hey a billionaire who inherited his money and has made a life of stomping on working class folks is definitely a champion. I mean he said so. The bed is made…now lie in it. Won’t affect me as my business is about to get much busier and I have access to government healthcare. I won’t be losing mine.

Did you read the garrison Keillor column? I don’t think so.

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Posted: 10 November 2016 11:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 56 ]
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Did you read the garrison Keillor column? I don’t think so.


I did read it..I didn’t find a lot of substance to it…just Trump is the boogey man type of stuff.  But is is the Washington Post owned by Jeff Bezos of Amazon.com who has a hit-squad trying to burn Trump so I get it and it reflect more about you reading from this source and quoting it..

If Trump fails, Republican voters will do to him what happen to George Bush 1 when he broke his “Read My Lips, No New Taxes” pledge…we voted him out and when the 2 year elections happen he would get his wings clipped.  That what elections are for and that’s how change is accomplished….

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Posted: 10 November 2016 11:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 57 ]
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Yeah cause why would you want to read something that might increase your worldview…if so you might know more. Who wants to do that???

The danger is we are pulling apart at the seams and you all voted a guy who actively exploits that instead of trying to stop it.

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Posted: 10 November 2016 11:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 58 ]
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SoPinesHeel - 10 November 2016 11:30 AM

Yeah cause why would you want to read something that might increase your worldview…if so you might know more. Who wants to do that???

The danger is we are pulling apart at the seams and you all voted a guy who actively exploits that instead of trying to stop it.

Pines, we have discussed many time that I rarely read conservative news sights and you know that. I have an open mind, but you always get so pissed when people don’t see your world view.  I wished I had a Snickers Bar to give you!  I purposely go out of my way yo read more left leaning place to keep my mind open..but also to reinforce my beliefs….

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Posted: 10 November 2016 11:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 59 ]
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I was more referencing the ad hominem argument that is so often used since you said you actually read it. I know you do.

Since I am gone from home long term I am on a fitness kick. I would rather have a power bar instead.
Don’t worry, I hope I am wrong but I’m not. I would love to see a moderate successful inclusive president trump. There is just no evidence at all to support it.

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Posted: 10 November 2016 11:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 60 ]
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Also, interesting use of the term boogeyman. I wonder who used different boogeymen to stoke resentment and fear…I wonder.

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