Tua’s Hip Injury
Posted: 17 November 2019 09:04 AM   [ Ignore ]
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We’ve all seen or heard of it by now.  Saban is taking a lot of heat for playing Tua when the game was well in control.

I have a couple of problems with this. Normally, I think pulling a QB before the half is over is not a great move.  I’ve complained that Dabo has pulled Lawrence too early.  My problem with Saban in this case is Tua is still recovering from surgery and playing him was stupid when the game was locked.  You can’t tell a competitor like Tua to not play aggressive.  Tua should have been benched much earlier to heal.

This leads to the second problem I have….The need for style points.  Winning big is now more important than just winning.  Clemson is still dealing with “losing” to UNC although it was a conference victory on the road.  Now you have to blast teams rather than pulling your starters earlier to give your backups reps…

Now there are some coaches that look at players as cannon fodder and are disposable commodities.  I think Saban is such a fellow.  There was no empathy in his remarks either at halftime or in the post game presser.

I feel bad for Tua.  I hate to see any player seriously hurt and those few rare talents makes it a little worse because they have the ability to be special at the next level.  This reminds me a little of the Lattimore injury.  Hopefully Tua can com e back from this.

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Posted: 17 November 2019 10:14 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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I get what you’re saying but in this situation I don’t think it was inappropriate to have Tua in.  35-7 against a conference foe.  Their defense has been questionable all year.  The game wasn’t 100% in the bag at that point and knocking some rust off Tua isn’t a bad idea.  I haven’t read up on his pregame health but he looked fine in the LSU game until after the game was over.  IMO that’s an awfully convenient time to develop a significant limp. 

Tua (and all QB’s) need to recognize when it is and isn’t ok to take a hit.  When you’re near the playoffs playing an inferior opponent you should be extra careful with protecting your body.  He didn’t do that on this play.  Trevor didn’t do it on our 1st or 2nd play against Wake.  He ran face first into the guy…. 

Its unfortunate for Tua and one of the stranger injuries I’ve heard of in football.  I hope he makes a full recovery.

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Posted: 17 November 2019 11:40 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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I’ve read his injury may very well be similar to Bo Jackson’s. I hate this. Out there playing a game he obviously loves just purely for the love of the game. No money outside of what’s allowed (we assume). If the initial reports are true his career is basically over. Just a sad, sad story for the player. Saban should not be the story. The sad events for the player should be the story. He wants to play, always. All players do.

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Posted: 18 November 2019 10:00 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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It’s easy to second guess Saban on that, but it was still the second quarter. It was a freak injury that could occur on any play. It’s sad for Tua. I hope he’s able to make a full recovery and goes on to a successful career.

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Posted: 18 November 2019 11:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Curggr - 18 November 2019 10:00 AM

It’s easy to second guess Saban on that, but it was still the second quarter. It was a freak injury that could occur on any play. It’s sad for Tua. I hope he’s able to make a full recovery and goes on to a successful career.

I don’t know how many of you watched the game, but Tua wasn’t moving well at all and was getting hit a lot and in several cases 2-3 guys at one time.

This is the 4th surgery Tua’s going to be receiving in college.  I may be the odd man out of this discussion but Tua was not 100% and there’s not good reason to risk the kid whose mobility was obviously affected.

The system is what created this situation Saban knows he has to run up the score to have any chance and if “style points” weren’t the apparent key criteria of the CFP then maybe Tua sits….

While I think the college game is superior to the NFL, I will give the NFL credit that a win still matters…Clemson’s “loss” to UNC is still an issue, yet UGA is getting a pass even though they loss to South Carolina.

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Posted: 18 November 2019 03:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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I didn’t watch the game to have an opinion on how he was moving. I was only going by the game clock. If he wasn’t moving well, that does change things.

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Posted: 18 November 2019 03:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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What would be the narrative if he had sat this game and they lost?  Saban would get eviscerated.  I don’t have a problem with him playing if he was able to.  We usually play Lawrence 2 possessions into the 3rd.  I just think it was bad luck.  I think Tua is a bit injury prone, is that from running so much?  Maybe.

I didn’t fully watch the game, and not close enough to watch his movement.

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Posted: 19 November 2019 10:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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I’ve never known a coach to pull starters in the first half unless it’s part of the game plan, especially for a conference game. I don’t place any blame on Saban.

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Posted: 19 November 2019 01:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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MattSmith - 19 November 2019 10:24 AM

I’ve never known a coach to pull starters in the first half unless it’s part of the game plan, especially for a conference game. I don’t place any blame on Saban.


I realize I’m the odd man out on this.  If Tua was 100% I wouldn’t have a problem with Saban decision.  This was not a typical situation:

1.  Saban said Tua decision to play at all was a game time decision.  That tells me he’s not 100%

2.  Did I mention he had surgery a few weeks ago and was still healing?

3.  While I agree that playing Tua was fine, the game was well in control before Saban decide had needed more practice. Trevor Lawrence was 100% and played one series in the 2nd Quarter against Charlotte and was done….By the way, in that same week, Tua was playing in the 4th Qtr with Tua against Southern Miss…

4.  Again, Tua’s mobility was not great.  He was getting hammered due to lac of mobility.

I have been critical of Saban and other coaches that keeps their players in longer than needed to pad their stats…Ironically, I have been mad at Dabo for pulling them too fast.  That’s why Clemson is pretty much 100% healthy and look like world beaters right now.

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