South Carolina was actually pretty early to tell people to stay home for a red southern state. While I’m no particular fan of McMaster, he has taken it more seriously than the morons in Georgia and Florida. South Carolina is on pace to not need any alternate care facilities. Georgia, Florida and Tennessee are all overwhelmed.

Again, so much winning. It’s why all the Trumpsters are here telling us how great everything is. I mean every day they are here bragging. It’s cause they are energized by liberal tears.

Meanwhile in reality…real people have died thanks to them.
Like I feared, their dumbass decisions hurt us all. Hopefully some of them are going to pay for it dearly. If they don’t immediately, don’t worry, they will later on. Karma is a bitch. It never forgets either. Never.

His stay at home ORDER started YESTERDAY.  He was one of the last 9 to issue the order the last I checked.  Everything before that was voluntary I believe.

You are right technically but as someone who sits in the briefings daily, I can tell you first hand that the state of SC encouraged everyone to stay at home from the start whereas the states of Georgia and Florida with their Trump loving governors disputed the reality of the virus. McMaster did not.

That’s why SC is in better shape, while those two along with Tennessee are scrambling to set up hospital overflow. SCs plan is complete and while they may move to set up so alternate care facilities, current projections do not show the state exceeding current bed capacity.

Yes, McMaster wasn’t as defiant as the idiot in Florida who was refusing to close his beeches.  How he can be so blind to the demographics of his state and the added risk is amazing.  BUT if memory serves me right McM closed stuff down around the same time but wasn’t openly defiant before the closing. 

The US has over 500k infected and nearly #1 in deaths with 18,781.  Our curve isn’t flattening.  The slope of new cases is almost perfectly straight. 

6 WEEKS ago Trump was talking about 15 cases turning into zero cases.  He said the spread wasn’t inevitable and we were “totally prepared” even if it did.  6 weeks later we top the charts in cases and deaths , trend data is terrible, stocks are still low (and likely to crash again), unemployment is skyrocketing (16M over THREE WEEKS, another Trump record), and we are still behind on testing. 

Does anyone really feel like this is under control?

No argument from me. The Republican Party has been taken over by ideologues who put belief over science and ideology over evidence. Otherwise good people who claim to be the most “American” only believe things if a propaganda rag tells them to and now follow a demagogue . The made “libtards” and “RHINOs” the enemy of their cult, and now wonder why things are collapsing on them. We have cronies in cabinet positions and the adults in the room have quit or were fired long ago. Now the cult is attacking the doctors…

Many warned us, the majority listened, and the minority have driven us off a cliff. Now they are silent on here.

I think it’s because they are the “real” Americans. Or just a bunch of bitches.

Curggr - 31 March 2020 04:09 PM

Ancient Orange - 30 March 2020 09:15 PM

Curggr,

The qualification and spending restrictions are basically the same as the other strings.  Just another side of the same coin.  Money in exchange for a particular action.  To steal Mr. Clayburns words, I think it’s a good opportunity for the government to mold the country without purely being the big brother forcing you to do it.  Prosperity is not guaranteed to man and certainly isn’t guaranteed to corporations.  It’s only right that they pay a price for a handout, it sets a precedent.  I was in college in 08 and didn’t digest all of the political happenings of Bush and Obama in regards to stimulus but my understanding was that the US taxpayer paid for all the toxic assets (fuckups guided by greed) and then gave bank gobs of 0% loans which they used to make free money off the American people.  All the while we established some, not enough, regulations to help reduce the odds it happens again and CEO’s continues to get $100M bonuses.  THAT is a bad precedent and why I support adding strings to bills.

I don’t see it as the same. If I take out a mortgage to buy a house, I have to use it to purchase the home,and the loan defines the monthly payment, interest rate, loan period etc. They’re pretty clean yet restrictive. These things seem more akin to having clauses in the loan that I also have to install solar panels, replace all appliances and plant a garden in the back. You can make a link to them, but it’s additional and unnecessary and intrusive.

As in the case of the government molding the country, it’s not the government molding the country, it’s one party or the other inserting their stuff in situations where people don’t have much choice. If it were the entire government, they could pass it legislatively rather than making it ride piggy back on a company’s attempt to stay in business.

There were indeed a lot of problems in the stimulus and how it got abused. I agree with having controls for that. I would just prefer it to be controlled by strict guidance about how the money can be used in support of it’s original purpose rather than to add things that are tangential.

So the way I look at the “strings attached” system is as a modified loan that takes services instead of interest/payments.  Boeing can get a $100M bank loan @ 2% interest and pay $2M a year in interest and lets just say they end up paying $20M in interest over a decade.  Or they can get a $100M government grant that requires them to build 10% cleaner planes within a decade.  If they decide they can build cleaner planes for less than $20M per decade then the government money makes sense.  Isn’t it better for taxpayers to get some ROI?  There’s no difference between legislating that a company will get a $20M tax break for achieving some goal of the government vs giving them $20M to achieve the goal.  The fact that these businesses are in trouble is the fault of the company not having enough liquid savings.  If they don’t like being at risk they should stash more money.  (I feel like a did a mediocre job of explaining this)

Curggr - 31 March 2020 04:09 PM

Ancient Orange - 30 March 2020 09:15 PM

I thought on the USPS debt bailout situation more and maybe it was a way to help USPS with cash flow.  Our postal (public and private) has never been more important than during this shutdown.  I’m sure they are spending extra money to make the working environment and packages safer for everyone.  Freeing up some cash for them makes sense and is relevant to the virus.  For instance Amazon employees walked out of a distribution center up North today.  They didn’t feel they were getting paid enough and that enough cleaning and PPE resources were available.  If this happened at USPS, UPS, and FedEx you would see anarchy.  But I could be completely off base here.

I don’t have a problem with funding the USPS in general, but as a federally funded service, I’m not sure how that factors into a package specifically designed to support the general economy. The virus has had an impact on everything and everyone. You could literally make a case for funding about anything.

The postal services are the primary supply chain right now, that’s why it’s supporting the general economy. (rough numbers)  Normally people would by 80% of their goods in person and 20% via delivery.  Now they are buying 90% via delivery and 10% in person (groceries).  Shipping has always been a key component of our economy but the postal services have been a small portion of that.  Now the postal services are just as important as the trucks and ships moving the goods.  If they shut down basically the entire economy shuts down. 

CU_Tigers4life - 28 February 2020 09:27 AM

All of the left media and liberal pundits operate like a chorus and they all jump on the same talking points and hyperbole at the same time..They’ve shifted on a dime from Russia, Russia, Russia to the Coronavirus is Trumps fault.

Here are the recent stats:

Infected 83,000 or .00001% of world population and virtually 0.0% in USA

Killed 2800 or .00000035% of world population and none in USA. Zero, nada deaths in USA

They are treating this like the zombie apocalypse

I’m far more worried about the flu in the US.  Here’s what the CDC is saying:

CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 29 million flu illnesses, 280,000 hospitalizations and 16,000 deaths from flu. Interim estimates of 2019-2020 flu vaccine effectiveness were released this week.

The Coronovirus is a serious illness that certainly needs to be dealt with but the flu in the US and the world is a much bigger deal and for some reason that’s not Trumps fault..

I truly think the Democrats are hoping for an escalations in illnesses and deaths just to gain power.

So it’s been awhile.  Are you starting to understand why Democrats were pouring attention on this virus and why the president failed in escalating it’s importance early?  The US has over 1/4 the global cases and is working towards 1/4 global deaths too.  Is this what you call leadership and preparedness?

It’s just you and me man. They are too chickenshit to post now.

The bullshit their boy spews gets even too much for them…I’ll at least give them that.

Vote by mail is fraudulent except when Trump does it. Then it’s good.
Election is rigged until Trump wins and then it is good, but everyone else is cheating.
Virus is a hoax, then it’s real, and now it’s a hoax again.

I’m starting to sense a trend.

I couldn’t bring myself to watch the whole White House press conference today.  I got 20 minutes in and it was all just Trump patting himself on the back and defending his decisions.  We’re not even close to done with this and he’s more worried about politicking up there than reporting on information about a virus that is still spreading like wildfire.  You would think that we beat it already or something. 

Newflash folks. Our case and death “curves” are straight as an arrow right now going UPPPPPP.  I’m sure there are areas where there is obvious curve flattening but domestically as a whole we have the worst data BY FAR in deaths and case count. 

I don’t know what else that clown talked about today but do not be fooled into thinking we are beating this thing.  The worst is yet to come.  Oh and I’ve seen some “here’s out Easter Photo” type stuff going around.  You can thank those folks for extending the quarantine by a few more weeks. 

I don’t recommend you hold your breath for a response…
Freeloaders, old farts who hate kids on their lawn and cunts aren’t known to show up when it isn’t going their way.

They leave that to folks like you and me.

It’s why they support con men. It fits their fraudulent bravado.

Over 700k cases and 37k deaths.  We’re really dominating the COVID Olympics right now, winning all categories.  Thoughts from the Right?  I keep hearing yall clamoring for the economy to get opened back up. 

Does this curve look flat to anyone?  https://www.bing.com/covid  .  It looks straight to me, STRAIGHT UP.  Our governor opened up boat ramps again.  THANK GOD.  Partying on the beach is really gonna rescue the economy.  It’s a great reason to give this virus some juice, fishing and beach drinking.  You know what we should probably just start football season early to help cure everyone’s boredom.

CU_Tigers4life - 28 February 2020 09:27 AM

They are treating this like the zombie apocalypse

I’m far more worried about the flu in the US.  Here’s what the CDC is saying:

CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 29 million flu illnesses, 280,000 hospitalizations and 16,000 deaths from flu. Interim estimates of 2019-2020 flu vaccine effectiveness were released this week.

The Coronovirus is a serious illness that certainly needs to be dealt with but the flu in the US and the world is a much bigger deal and for some reason that’s not Trumps fault..

I truly think the Democrats are hoping for an escalations in illnesses and deaths just to gain power.

So in the last MONTH there have been 47,000 deaths due to C19 in the US.  In the last 10 years the flu only killed more people twice (51k and 61k) in an entire YEAR.  That was with 30M and 45M infected too.  Would you like to make any wagers on if COVID kills more than the flu?  I would be shocked if we don’t eclipse the flu in one more month.  Also worth noting this is with doing almost EVERYTHING we can do to stop this thing. 

Where you at dog?

Ancient Orange - 12 April 2020 11:28 AM

So it’s been awhile.  Are you starting to understand why Democrats were pouring attention on this virus and why the president failed in escalating it’s importance early?  The US has over 1/4 the global cases and is working towards 1/4 global deaths too.  Is this what you call leadership and preparedness?

I haven’t been spending much time on here because 24/7 virus has become tiresome, and there’s a lack of sports right now.

Our response certainly hasn’t been perfect, and it’s fair to try and learn
from things, but the idea that its importance wasn’t escalated early is a political narrative and not really accurate. I would certainly say things could be improved and that Trump is overly optimistic, but it was taken seriously. See below:

Jan. 13th: the first known case outside of China was reported in Thailand

January 17th: The CDC started entry screenings at major airports - before any confirmed cases in the US

Jan. 21, the first confirmed case in the US

Jan 29th: 8 days after the first known case in the US, passengers from China were screened in Alaska and under observation for 3 days when they ultimately arrived in Ca.

Jan 30. The first person-to-person transmission in the US, and the CDC says the risk is still low

Jan 31st, the day after the first person-to person transmission in the US and with 0 deaths in the US, Trump declared a public health emergency (sounds to me like he thought it was important) and begins quarantining people that had been to parts of China. (Do you remember that happening in your lifetime? Sounds like it’s being taken seriously to me.)

Jan 31st. _ Again, the day after the 1st person-to-person transmission in the US, travel ban for foreign nationals who had been in China is announced and flights from China directed to select airports.
Biden responded with: We are in the midst of a crisis with the coronavirus. We need to lead the way with science — not Donald Trump’s record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering. He is the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health emergency.

Nancy Pelosi introduced legislation to limit the President’s powers to take such action.

The Biden campaign now says: “Joe Biden supports travel bans that are guided by medical experts, advocated by public health officials, and backed by a full strategy,” Kate Bedingfeld, Biden’s deputy campaign manager, told CNN. “Science supported this ban, therefore he did too.”

Headlines read:
NYT: “Beware the Pandemic Panic” - Jan 29
Washington Post: “Get a grippe, America. The flu is a much bigger threat than Conronavirus for now.” Wa Po Jan. 31
Vox: “Is this going to be a deadly pandemic? No” - Vox Feb. 1
Vox: “For most people, you’re probably more likely to be catching flu than you are to be getting Coronavirus.” Vox Feb 2
“Is the new virus more ‘deadly’ than flu? Not exactly” - AP Feb 18

He has also leveraged private industry to help get supplies made. Again, I don’t remember that happening this way any time recently. The left bashed Mike Lindell even though he converted 75% of his production capacity to make 50,000 masks per day.

This is a small list of steps taken by the federal government to combat this. There have certainly been flaws in the response with poor tests etc created by the CDC. I would never suggest the response has been perfect and that things can’t be improved - that’s the nature of something like this. It’s a very contagious virus and obviously hard to stop. Trump has absolutely been overly optimistic in his statements. When you look at what was actually done, it’s simply not true to say it wasn’t taken seriously or that a response was delayed, as the timeline clearly shows.

Before it comes up here, he clearly did not refer to the virus as a hoax. He talked about the complaints about his response being a hoax. His reference to a hoax occurred on Feb 28th. That was about a month after declaring a public emergency, quarantining people and restricting travel. That would pretty clearly suggest that he didn’t see the virus itself as a hoax.

Anyway, I’ll certainly read any response you write, but I’m probably not going to spend a lot of time going back and forth on this because, as I said, the constant talk on one topic in every aspect of life has become tiresome. I never thought the draft would be such a highlight. I hope all is well, and you’re staying healthy.

I was asked a month ago to lay off…and I’ve been doing it but god damn when you post bullshit like this it is hard.

Promoting fake cures…contradicting his own experts in the same press conference…tweeting about “liberating states” and tv ratings while our economy falls off a cliff…refusing to take any responsibility and falsely blaming the last administration.

Yeah that sure is taking it seriously.

Now that Antifa has cured the Covid-19 threat in just a week, I feel safe enough to stick my head out and say hi to everyone and hope all is well.  Make sure you dodge the bricks and Molotov cocktails.

Too Bad the College Football Hall of Fame was vandalized and looted.  Should have stayed in South Bend.

Peace.

See ya when College Football Season starts…If It starts