Md. is a founding member of the ACC. As such it wil not leave. ACC members make ok money, so they’ve no reason to leave. There’s nowhere else to go and make equitable money for the school’s sports programs. I know ECU takes partial qualifiers. That’s a no go in the ACC. You could infer from that they’d take a step back if they were for some reason offered membership. I believe there’d be a better chance of WVU or Penn St. being offered than ECU should this scenario ever come to pass.
Maryland competes atletically in the ACC and has always been this kind of football team. Hell if not for football and somewhat basketball VT brings nothing to the ACC athletically. Of course I know that those are the major revenue sports. My point being they will compete and when you stack their resume up against other ACC teams they aren’t the laughing stock of the conference. It wouldn’t even be a good fit for UMD they would lose their best rivalries and wouldn’t be able to play many of their non-revenue sports like field hockey, and lax.
Maryland competes atletically in the ACC and has always been this kind of football team. Hell if not for football and somewhat basketball VT brings nothing to the ACC athletically. Of course I know that those are the major revenue sports. My point being they will compete and when you stack their resume up against other ACC teams they aren’t the laughing stock of the conference. It wouldn’t even be a good fit for UMD they would lose their best rivalries and wouldn’t be able to play many of their non-revenue sports like field hockey, and lax.
maryland is not a laughing stock, check below.
i do take exception to you making it sound like VT is trash in the non revenue sports. they are not. they may not be uva or unc but they are solid enough.
their director’s cup rankings the last 5 years.
2004-05 58
2005-06 45
2006-07 48
2007-08 37
2008-09 46
to put 46th in perspective that is good for 8th. so please check some other resumes before you trash the hated hokies, incorrectly.
UNC 2
Virginia 8
FSU 15
Duke 17
Maryland 28
Wake Forest 37
Miami 43
Virginia Tech 46
Georgia Tech 48
Clemson 53
NC State 74
Boston College 75
8th out of a conference of twelve. That puts you in the bottom half of the conference. So four teams in our conference do less than you nationally. Atleast Clemson is generally good at baseball, soccer and golf. Miami has track and baseball too. They just don’t have the athletic budget to support more non revenue sports and develop them. Being small schools that sell themselves out for football glory it’s to be expected.
Your school is an easy target for me because Im more familiar with your strengths than others in the conference. Sorry if I’m not informed enough to have used BC as my example. These rankings if I remember correctly are weighted? That would only emphasize my point. Even with your success and high ranking in football the other sports drag your overrall Athletic Dept down that far. Does VPI not have the budget to cover other sports? Would you not love to crow about whipping us in something else? I know Littlepage has made a big effort to increase our visibility and we now have competitive track, tennis, CC, baseball, and wrestling programs in addition to the sports we already competed in.
Notice who was first in the ACC. UNC has the absolute best all around sports program in the ACC. To disagree is to call Mars home. Check out the national rankings for the “Olympic sports” now. UNC is #1 in female soccer, #2 in mens soccer, #3 in field hockey..That’s nationally. Tar!!
8th out of a conference of twelve. That puts you in the bottom half of the conference. So four teams in our conference do less than you nationally. Atleast Clemson is generally good at baseball, soccer and golf. Miami has track and baseball too. They just don’t have the athletic budget to support more non revenue sports and develop them. Being small schools that sell themselves out for football glory it’s to be expected.
Your school is an easy target for me because Im more familiar with your strengths than others in the conference. Sorry if I’m not informed enough to have used BC as my example. These rankings if I remember correctly are weighted? That would only emphasize my point. Even with your success and high ranking in football the other sports drag your overrall Athletic Dept down that far. Does VPI not have the budget to cover other sports? Would you not love to crow about whipping us in something else? I know Littlepage has made a big effort to increase our visibility and we now have competitive track, tennis, CC, baseball, and wrestling programs in addition to the sports we already competed in.
i never said vt was great, but they aren’t crap as you say. 46th in the nation is better than average and football didn’t (nor can they) carry them that high. do you really think 1 sport can carry a whole athletic dept to that a place in the 40’s? wow, must not have been a math major, liberal arts? so, no your point isn’t emphasized at all. heck, maybe vt should field a lacrosse team. get ranked there is far easier than every other sport, since there are more than 20 teams nationally.
vt has not been in a cash cow conference forever and is building it’s non revenue sports. golf and wrestling at vt is solid, while swimming and diving as well as track and field (indoor and out) are near the top of the conference. soccer and softball have all had nationally top 10 teams in the past 3 years.
but hey, it’s just as easy to take a shot without any real knowledge or facts at your rival. i get it.
I’m fully aware of your softball and soccer teams (we did lose a heart breaker in soccer last year). Both UVA and VT should never have a problem fielding teams in swimming/diving, soccer or golf imo. Too strong of a state in high school for either of those to fail. Like I said in the original post I was trying to prove a point based on performance that Maryland is a viable member and contender in ACC athletics. By looking at the numbers I’d say UNC, UVA, FSU and Duke are the only schools really competing in this thing. It’s a long way from the bottom to the top ten. The PAC10 surprises me most. They have all but Wazzu and OSU in the top 25.
Explain something to me, why was it so much harder in the Big East to build your athletic budget or program? Serious question.
vt was never a full member in payouts of the big east. they had to buy their way in. they left before they had finished paying up. even after buying into the acc for the first couple of years, their revenues doubled. combine that with the money saved in transportation, busing not airplaines ... VT is much more well off and able to spend on more than just football, see the new bb facility. it’s not JPJ but it’s pretty nice.
Oh a new practice facility. At first I thought you all bulldozed Cassell. It got me excited because that place is annoying. HAHA. Seriously though I wish we still had U Hall. I think it was a much tougher place to play. The new arena is too open and not as cozy/rowdy. Looks like you all built a nice facility.
I love Cassell and hope we never build a big arena like jpj, It’s a really nice facility and attracts a lot of things other than basketball. But, it just doesn’t have a college feel to it at least not for me. I prefer the smaller, in your face, jam-packed places. Now as for Maryland leaving the ACC, I don’t see it happening there is no reason for them to leave if they got kicked out that’s one thing. I can’t think of really any reasons for them to join the big least
Maryland is historically one of the strongest football members of the conference. They have more football tradition than all but GT, Clemson, Miami and FSU.
ECU adds nothing to the conference and South Florida adds little to nothing. Penn St and Notre Dame are more like it, not 2nd tier schools who are still building their traditions and programs.
Maryland is historically one of the strongest football members of the conference. They have more football tradition than all but GT, Clemson, Miami and FSU.
ECU adds nothing to the conference and South Florida adds little to nothing. Penn St and Notre Dame are more like it, not 2nd tier schools who are still building their traditions and programs.
Exactly.
Some people are so quick to jump on and off the bandwagon without thinking long-term.
