Yea I caught that tonight also. What happened to that Mission Accomplished thing Lil Bush said 100 years ago? We still have 50,000 Americans nation building in Iraq. Sadly…... and we need to focus our attention on US not Afghanistan. What a waste of money and lives.
Yea I caught that tonight also. What happened to that Mission Accomplished thing Lil Bush said 100 years ago? We still have 50,000 Americans nation building in Iraq. Sadly…... and we need to focus our attention on US not Afghanistan. What a waste of money and lives.
Ridiculous…. absolutely ridiculous.
Umm… We are at war. I know it is a shock to you. We have been at war for the past 9 nine years. If we weren’t in Afghanistan at the moment more of what happen on 9/11 would have already happened. You take the fight to the enemy and that is exactly what we are doing. Unfortunately unconventional wars take much longer than conventional ones.
Yea I caught that tonight also. What happened to that Mission Accomplished thing Lil Bush said 100 years ago? We still have 50,000 Americans nation building in Iraq. Sadly…... and we need to focus our attention on US not Afghanistan. What a waste of money and lives.
Ridiculous…. absolutely ridiculous.
Umm… We are at war. I know it is a shock to you. We have been at war for the past 9 nine years. If we weren’t in Afghanistan at the moment more of what happen on 9/11 would have already happened. You take the fight to the enemy and that is exactly what we are doing. Unfortunately unconventional wars take much longer than conventional ones.
Yea I caught that tonight also. What happened to that Mission Accomplished thing Lil Bush said 100 years ago? We still have 50,000 Americans nation building in Iraq. Sadly…... and we need to focus our attention on US not Afghanistan. What a waste of money and lives.
Ridiculous…. absolutely ridiculous.
Umm… We are at war. I know it is a shock to you. We have been at war for the past 9 nine years. If we weren’t in Afghanistan at the moment more of what happen on 9/11 would have already happened. You take the fight to the enemy and that is exactly what we are doing. Unfortunately unconventional wars take much longer than conventional ones.
Please tell me our mission in Afghanistan.
Well we have more than one… Train Afghan Police and Military. Build infrastructure to provide better quality of life for the country. Act as a liason for the Democratic nation. Eliminate all Taliban or Terrorist forces.
Yea I caught that tonight also. What happened to that Mission Accomplished thing Lil Bush said 100 years ago? We still have 50,000 Americans nation building in Iraq. Sadly…... and we need to focus our attention on US not Afghanistan. What a waste of money and lives.
Ridiculous…. absolutely ridiculous.
Umm… We are at war. I know it is a shock to you. We have been at war for the past 9 nine years. If we weren’t in Afghanistan at the moment more of what happen on 9/11 would have already happened. You take the fight to the enemy and that is exactly what we are doing. Unfortunately unconventional wars take much longer than conventional ones.
Please tell me our mission in Afghanistan.
Well we have more than one… Train Afghan Police and Military. Build infrastructure to provide better quality of life for the country. Act as a liason for the Democratic nation. Eliminate all Taliban or Terrorist forces.
Do you believe thay we are not at war?
We are not at war, no matter how much you believe we are. The Middle East has always been a mess. The reason we got attacked was because we were in the Middle East in the first place (H.W. Bush with bases in Saudi Arabia).
The only people who believe we are at war are Muslim extremists and right-wing extremists.
The Mosque situation should not be a big deal if something was actually built on the WTC area in 9 years. Talk about erectile dysfunction and a disconnect from reality.
This was pure imperialism on the US’s part, unless you forgot that Reagan/Bush funded al-Qaeda/Taliban during the 80’s. They also did not want to do any infrastructure work in the Middle East either (building schools, roads, etc.)
Unfortunately we are at war, but this was the US’ own doing. These two wars are 1) unwinnable and 2) lack any virtuous and noble goal. In 9 years we have yet to find/execute OBL, but we sure have taken it to Saddam and the Taliban! The only reason we are ‘at war’ IMO is to get more oil and/or set up sweatshops under a puppet dictator.
While the US is withdrawing the last from Iraq it is my full belief that the troops will be replaced with one or more private security companies that was subcontracted that will keep things secure. Yes, we’ll have no troops, but I fully believe there will be a US occupation via private contractor.
Unfortunately we are at war, but this was the US’ own doing. These two wars are 1) unwinnable and 2) lack any virtuous and noble goal. In 9 years we have yet to find/execute OBL, but we sure have taken it to Saddam and the Taliban! The only reason we are ‘at war’ IMO is to get more oil and/or set up sweatshops under a puppet dictator.
While the US is withdrawing the last from Iraq it is my full belief that the troops will be replaced with one or more private security companies that was subcontracted that will keep things secure. Yes, we’ll have no troops, but I fully believe there will be a US occupation via private contractor.
Marble I agree with you on most stuff, because you are one of the more level headed posters on the board. I disagree that the war is unwinnable though. I think Osama Bin Laden is dead. The guy just would have turned up somewhere. He prolly died in some cave in the middle of nowhere. I am not big on conspiracy theories about the oil in Iraq. 99% of conspiracies are false and just people speculating. There is probably some truth to it but who knows? Maybe I should put in a call to the President.
Now will we will always have a presence in Iraq and the middle east. I don’t really like private security companies after the Fallujah incident.
Marble I agree with you on most stuff, because you are one of the more level headed posters on the board. I disagree that the war is unwinnable though. I think Osama Bin Laden is dead. The guy just would have turned up somewhere. He prolly died in some cave in the middle of nowhere. I am not big on conspiracy theories about the oil in Iraq. 99% of conspiracies are false and just people speculating. There is probably some truth to it but who knows? Maybe I should put in a call to the President.
Now will we will always have a presence in Iraq and the middle east. I don’t really like private security companies after the Fallujah incident.
We’ll have to agree to disagree, as there is no way I’ll consider this war winnable. That’s like saying Vietnam was a ‘tie’. Whenever a nation goes into a war with less than virtuous reasons, the war immediately becomes unwinnable. And there’s no way for me to believe OBL is dead given we simply don’t know anything about his whereabouts. Maybe he’s allowed to live so we can perpetuate this BS war.
calhokie - 20 August 2010 05:51 AM
I’m glad we’re out. I hope the area can achieve even greater stability without us, for the sake of those who live there!
That area will be unstable whether we’re there or not. It’s been volatile for thousands of years, ever since Abraham knocked up Hagar, and will continue to be so until the planet gets destroyed. I say pull out (I’m not sold on us being out) and let them destroy each other if they insist.
Yea I caught that tonight also. What happened to that Mission Accomplished thing Lil Bush said 100 years ago? We still have 50,000 Americans nation building in Iraq. Sadly…... and we need to focus our attention on US not Afghanistan. What a waste of money and lives.
Ridiculous…. absolutely ridiculous.
Umm… We are at war. I know it is a shock to you. We have been at war for the past 9 nine years. If we weren’t in Afghanistan at the moment more of what happen on 9/11 would have already happened. You take the fight to the enemy and that is exactly what we are doing. Unfortunately unconventional wars take much longer than conventional ones.
Please tell me our mission in Afghanistan.
Well we have more than one… Train Afghan Police and Military. Build infrastructure to provide better quality of life for the country. Act as a liason for the Democratic nation. Eliminate all Taliban or Terrorist forces.
Do you believe thay we are not at war?
No, I do not believe we are at war. In war you have a mission and once the mission is accomplished, you have an exit plan. We have no mission nor exit plan.
It’s not our job to develop 3rd world countries. Unless of course they have something we want LOL…. obviously. We are in the middle east because of OIL.
Having served in theater. We are at war. The war on terrorism.
I’ve served from Bosnia to Iraq. In Bosnia, we hunted down war criminals and protected the Muslim community. But no body gives the US credit for Kosovo or Bosnia, nor do the liberals understand that there are organized factions that are not nations that wish to destroy the American way of life. The western nations stopped genocide in the Balkans. Hundreds of thousands of Muslims were massacred for no reason. I personally found thousands of bodies and saw the carnage left by the Serbians. We’ve been in the Balkans since the 1990s and we’ll be there in some capacity for another 20 years. Just like our presence in South Korea. We’ll still be there when our grand children are in their 50s; because of the terror that exists in North Korea.
War is relative and the US is at war. From the soldiers’ point of view, we’re at war. Time will demonstrate that these organized factions (terrorists) are being supported by predominantly Muslim extremist based countries. This will last for years. Western European countries and the United States will remain at risk so long as there are Muslim extremist. If a country counters sharia law then it will be a target of Muslim extremist. Our children will be fighting this war because it is over our way of life. Our way of life does not fit into the Muslim extremist’s box.
As for Iraq, if the US did nothing but remove a dictator from power that terrorized his population, then our invasion of Iraq was justified. The US did more for human rights in Iraq than ever have been done by the United Nations. The quality of life in Iraq will continue to rise because Saddam’s family won’t be skimming off the profits for his personal gain and the gain of the Republican Guard. Saddam encouraged and sponsored genocide. He ordered the mass killing of the Kurds through chemical warfare, he executed thousands for disagreeing with his government. Saddam kept the basic things such as electricity, clean water, medical care, and schools away from from people that he thought to be less desirable (Kurds, women, Bedouin tribes, and folks not associated with his ruling party). Saddam and his family (and Republican Guard) raped, killed, and mutilated the population of Iraq in order to remain in power. He invaded Kuwait, and the west pushed him back over the border; but it was just a matter of time before he did it again. Heck, when the Iraqi Soccer Team got beat, one of his son’s had the team jailed and tortured.
My Father served during World War II, Korea, and Vietnam. There really is no difference between Hitler and Saddam. If the world powers had handled Hitler as we’ve done Saddam, then there may not have been a European War. There still may have been a Pacific War because of the west allowing Japan to expand through out the far east immediately after World War I.
We’re very lucky that we’ve not had to ration fuel, food, tires, etc as my parents had to do during World War II and because we’ve not had to make sacrifices as a Nation, most don’t think we’re at war. If there was a draft and then every swinging richard had to serve his country then the majority of Americans would be touched by the war on terrorism. Because we have a 100% volunteer military on a select few are affected. Maybe it is time for America to start the draft again, so folks understand the importance of defending our way of life.
To protect our Nation, the United States has to stand-up to despots no matter how small or large. We’re at war, just ask the Gold Star families, the Blue Star families, veteran’s coming home and the wounded warriors that are recovering from their wounds.
We’re not at war to “protect our nation.” Please. We’re at war because of corporate interests. Just like Kuwait.
This country will NOT be destroyed by outside ‘infidels’. It will be destroyed from within by the cancers known as a currently imploding economy and piss-poor leadership who’s constantly on the take. Just like the USSR.
Marble Rye, only time will tell. You have your view and I have mine.
Our freedom enables our enemies to attack from within. Just like the Russian spies that were just deported. They had been here for years. The “infidels” are doing the very same thing.
At least we agree that it is great to have college football back!
Yea I caught that tonight also. What happened to that Mission Accomplished thing Lil Bush said 100 years ago? We still have 50,000 Americans nation building in Iraq. Sadly…... and we need to focus our attention on US not Afghanistan. What a waste of money and lives.
Ridiculous…. absolutely ridiculous.
Umm… We are at war. I know it is a shock to you. We have been at war for the past 9 nine years. If we weren’t in Afghanistan at the moment more of what happen on 9/11 would have already happened. You take the fight to the enemy and that is exactly what we are doing. Unfortunately unconventional wars take much longer than conventional ones.
Please tell me our mission in Afghanistan.
Well we have more than one… Train Afghan Police and Military. Build infrastructure to provide better quality of life for the country. Act as a liason for the Democratic nation. Eliminate all Taliban or Terrorist forces.
Do you believe thay we are not at war?
We are not at war, no matter how much you believe we are. The Middle East has always been a mess. The reason we got attacked was because we were in the Middle East in the first place (H.W. Bush with bases in Saudi Arabia).
The only people who believe we are at war are Muslim extremists and right-wing extremists.
The Mosque situation should not be a big deal if something was actually built on the WTC area in 9 years. Talk about erectile dysfunction and a disconnect from reality.
This was pure imperialism on the US’s part, unless you forgot that Reagan/Bush funded al-Qaeda/Taliban during the 80’s. They also did not want to do any infrastructure work in the Middle East either (building schools, roads, etc.)
We are in the middle east at the request of and with the permission of those governments - just a minor detail. There are groups of religious fanatics, who don’t claim a country, and consider that we are trespassing on Muslim land, despite the fact that the governments are in favor of it.
Marble Rye, only time will tell. You have your view and I have mine.
Our freedom enables our enemies to attack from within. Just like the Russian spies that were just deported. They had been here for years. The “infidels” are doing the very same thing.
At least we agree that it is great to have college football back!
Go Noles!
That’s a great point, CB. As you know (and based on what I’ve seen on various documentaries), there is mounting evidence that so-called terrorists from within are actually citizens of this country, some born here. But not all are of Middle Eastern decent (Timothy McVeigh), which blows up the profiling that’s clearly done around this country. Regardless, how do you combat perceived home-born terrorists without resorting to privacy invasion and McCarthyist persecution on steroids?
It is my full belief that, had it not been for our country’s imperialistic ways in foreign policy, we likely wouldn’t have the threat of terror, at least nowhere near the level it is now. Yes, there are those who loathe freedom but our country’s poor excuse for leadership has exacerbated the problem to the point where increasing numbers of nations, many of which have historically been our staunchest allies, are showing signs of distancing themselves from us (Spain, Australia, Poland, Lithuania and our No. 1 ally by far, the UK).
Oh yeah, here’s proof of my subcontractor theory if anyone’s doubting. US occupation by proxy.
