If you go just by the line of questioning, things look tough for the survival of Obama-care. The Justices are really hammering the point of if the Fed has the power to force people to buy Insurance, what about other items that the US deems essential?
Even the Ultra-Liberal Huffington Post cannot spin this to look good for team Obama:
They don’t have the power to force people to buy insurance, and the justices should hammer them for that. Welcome to American Government 101. Its not even an argument to me. Healthcare is GREAT, I’m ALL for having healthcare here…...just do it differently. Give the option, not force it.
They don’t have the power to force people to buy insurance, and the justices should hammer them for that. Welcome to American Government 101. Its not even an argument to me. Healthcare is GREAT, I’m ALL for having healthcare here…...just do it differently. Give the option, not force it.
I have a feeling our favorite WVU fan will take serious issue with that comment…...
Oh I’m sure he will. He’s probably one that would give a potential employer his facebook and email passwords and logins too. I refuse to give up liberties and freedoms, and that includes being forced to buy something.
Well, I’ll stand silent until they make their ruling.
I do know I don’t want to pay for someone who is taken to the emergency room because they don’t have insurance. And that is exactly what happens without the Affordable Care Act. Especially since I can’t get insurance yet because of pre-exsisting condition. So basically me and millions of other people will pay for us to get health care out of pocket, without health insurance and pay for other people too. Why you would want to do this is beyond me, but… to each is his or her own.
that one aspect could have been changed without hijacking the whole system
Really? How’s that? Without making everyone have health insurance how do you get people to pay for their own health care? Because I’m sure you know that if someone goes to the hospital because they are in a wreck or something, and they don’t have health insurance, they must be treated. And who do you think pays for that? lol I’ll help you, those who have health insurance pay for it because the doctors and hospitals raise the price of their health care on everyone else. Now, when the care cost are raised, the insurance companies raise their rates….
As I said, I’ll wait until after they rule on this. Many people have bought what the insurance lobby has sold via their tea party folks. I’m assuming you’re one of them.
Insurance companies are not going to let people with pre-existing conditions have health insurance if they don’t make the massive extra dollars that a mandate will make for them. If the mandate goes, so with the pre-existing condition clause.
Insurance companies are not going to let people with pre-existing conditions have health insurance if they don’t make the massive extra dollars that a mandate will make for them. If the mandate goes, so with the pre-existing condition clause.
Here’s another point of view. Democrats think that the right is against affordable health care and that is not the case at all. We simply disagree on how to get there.
Right now each state regulates how many insurance companies can participate and various levels of coverage. That same Commerce Clause that will probably strike down ACA Mandate can be used as a way to make insurance companies compete better and more cheaply.
Because of the interstate commerce clause, the Federal Government can probably under the constitution give access to the 800-1100 Insurance companies depending on your date to be able to compete in each state and the Fed can also under that Clause require specific minimum coverage requirements to be offered by all companies that want to participate such as pre-existing conditions. BTW, here is one link to the number of health care providers. As I said it varies, but there is a lot:
When you have this many companies fighting for your dollars, big bullies like Blue Cross/Blue Shield will have to start singing for their food instead of getting such a free pass. If such at thing occurred, I suspect heath care premiums would drop like a brick!.....My point is why are the dems so afraid to try this before taking over the whole damn program?
Tort reform is another aspect that needs to be addressed. Honest to goodness Malpractice is one thing but there are so many frivolous lawsuits that drive up malpractice premiums of doctors that we all pay. Doctors are not gods and cannot possible see everything, so many of the have to over test and over treat out of fear of being sued.
I know you won’t agree, but this is the best way and it is the American way…..We aren’t Europe. State Run health care is great as long as the money is coming in, but when the cash flow dries up like in Greece, people take to the street and riot for their “lifestyle” that has spoiled them.
Insurance companies are not going to let people with pre-existing conditions have health insurance if they don’t make the massive extra dollars that a mandate will make for them. If the mandate goes, so with the pre-existing condition clause.
Here’s another point of view. Democrats think that the right is against affordable health care and that is not the case at all. We simply disagree on how to get there.
Right now each state regulates how many insurance companies can participate and various levels of coverage. That same Commerce Clause that will probably strike down ACA Mandate can be used as a way to make insurance companies compete better and more cheaply.
Because of the interstate commerce clause, the Federal Government can probably under the constitution give access to the 800-1100 Insurance companies depending on your date to be able to compete in each state and the Fed can also under that Clause require specific minimum coverage requirements to be offered by all companies that want to participate such as pre-existing conditions. BTW, here is one link to the number of health care providers. As I said it varies, but there is a lot:
When you have this many companies fighting for your dollars, big bullies like Blue Cross/Blue Shield will have to start singing for their food instead of getting such a free pass. If such at thing occurred, I suspect heath care premiums would drop like a brick!.....My point is why are the dems so afraid to try this before taking over the whole damn program?
Tort reform is another aspect that needs to be addressed. Honest to goodness Malpractice is one thing but there are so many frivolous lawsuits that drive up malpractice premiums of doctors that we all pay. Doctors are not gods and cannot possible see everything, so many of the have to over test and over treat out of fear of being sued.
I know you won’t agree, but this is the best way and it is the American way…..We aren’t Europe. State Run health care is great as long as the money is coming in, but when the cash flow dries up like in Greece, people take to the street and riot for their “lifestyle” that has spoiled them.
Now this an amazing response. You do know what you outlined is what once was called Hillary Care right?
Back then the republicans of course wanted a mandate.
So, the righties didn’t want any part of Hillary Care, instead wanted mandates and now since President Obama is so middle right he took your approach and BAMM… now you want Hillary Care.
Dude, it’s not about you, or me. It’s about the Koch brother’s and the powerful insurance lobby and their paid elected officials. The reality is whatever position President Obama took, your side was going to take the opposite. Your guy was president for 8 years and no mention of heath care. Not a one…. so we get a new president, he drafts a health care plan that your side wanted, and like McConnell clearly said, the goal wasn’t health care, it was to make him a one term president.
Whether it’s Hillary Care or the Affordable Health Care Act, if this doesn’t pass the incredibly conservative courts opinion, you and I and every other American will never get health insurance because the insurance lobby with their huge money backers will NEVER LET IT HAPPEN.
One of the justices wife has a lobby for the insurance lobby for God’s sake. And that same justice didn’t report over 100k of income from that same lobby.
As I said, I’ll wait to see how screwed up this decision is before I share my opinion.
Insurance companies are not going to let people with pre-existing conditions have health insurance if they don’t make the massive extra dollars that a mandate will make for them. If the mandate goes, so with the pre-existing condition clause.
Here’s another point of view. Democrats think that the right is against affordable health care and that is not the case at all. We simply disagree on how to get there.
Right now each state regulates how many insurance companies can participate and various levels of coverage. That same Commerce Clause that will probably strike down ACA Mandate can be used as a way to make insurance companies compete better and more cheaply.
Because of the interstate commerce clause, the Federal Government can probably under the constitution give access to the 800-1100 Insurance companies depending on your date to be able to compete in each state and the Fed can also under that Clause require specific minimum coverage requirements to be offered by all companies that want to participate such as pre-existing conditions. BTW, here is one link to the number of health care providers. As I said it varies, but there is a lot:
When you have this many companies fighting for your dollars, big bullies like Blue Cross/Blue Shield will have to start singing for their food instead of getting such a free pass. If such at thing occurred, I suspect heath care premiums would drop like a brick!.....My point is why are the dems so afraid to try this before taking over the whole damn program?
Tort reform is another aspect that needs to be addressed. Honest to goodness Malpractice is one thing but there are so many frivolous lawsuits that drive up malpractice premiums of doctors that we all pay. Doctors are not gods and cannot possible see everything, so many of the have to over test and over treat out of fear of being sued.
I know you won’t agree, but this is the best way and it is the American way…..We aren’t Europe. State Run health care is great as long as the money is coming in, but when the cash flow dries up like in Greece, people take to the street and riot for their “lifestyle” that has spoiled them.
Now this an amazing response. You do know what you outlined is what once was called Hillary Care right?
Back then the republicans of course wanted a mandate.
So, the righties didn’t want any part of Hillary Care, instead wanted mandates and now since President Obama is so middle right he took your approach and BAMM… now you want Hillary Care.
Dude, it’s not about you, or me. It’s about the Koch brother’s and the powerful insurance lobby and their paid elected officials. The reality is whatever position President Obama took, your side was going to take the opposite. Your guy was president for 8 years and no mention of heath care. Not a one…. so we get a new president, he drafts a health care plan that your side wanted, and like McConnell clearly said, the goal wasn’t health care, it was to make him a one term president.
Whether it’s Hillary Care or the Affordable Health Care Act, if this doesn’t pass the incredibly conservative courts opinion, you and I and every other American will never get health insurance because the insurance lobby with their huge money backers will NEVER LET IT HAPPEN.
One of the justices wife has a lobby for the insurance lobby for God’s sake. And that same justice didn’t report over 100k of income from that same lobby.
As I said, I’ll wait to see how screwed up this decision is before I share my opinion.
Bush was by no means “My Guy”...I voted for him because between him and the father of the internet, algore it was a no-brainer. Bush did some good things, but I had a lot of problems with him. I actually like the Clinton years. We had a good balance of power with two sides working together. Thanks to both Obama and Bush, the spirit of compromise is over and nothing but bitter partisanship in what prevails…..
My “guy” was Ronald Reagan, who was my Commander-in-Chief when I was in the military.
BTW, Reagan has a very defines position on Socialized Medicine that been after 40+ years still is as effective today:
But but but…. what about the plan you had that was Hillary Care? LOL What does George Bush and tax man Ronnie Reagan have to do with Hillary Care?
NADA… but you did complete an excellent diversion.
Now that ladies and gentlemen is your typical rightie hood wink. You know… you pound your chest about stuff you only hear via talking points, then when you get cornered with facts, you change gears and go into a whole different direction. Personally I think it’s beautiful.. great work. But it does kinda make you look silly don’t you think?
Insurance companies are not going to let people with pre-existing conditions have health insurance if they don’t make the massive extra dollars that a mandate will make for them. If the mandate goes, so with the pre-existing condition clause.
Here’s another point of view. Democrats think that the right is against affordable health care and that is not the case at all. We simply disagree on how to get there.
Right now each state regulates how many insurance companies can participate and various levels of coverage. That same Commerce Clause that will probably strike down ACA Mandate can be used as a way to make insurance companies compete better and more cheaply.
Because of the interstate commerce clause, the Federal Government can probably under the constitution give access to the 800-1100 Insurance companies depending on your date to be able to compete in each state and the Fed can also under that Clause require specific minimum coverage requirements to be offered by all companies that want to participate such as pre-existing conditions. BTW, here is one link to the number of health care providers. As I said it varies, but there is a lot:
When you have this many companies fighting for your dollars, big bullies like Blue Cross/Blue Shield will have to start singing for their food instead of getting such a free pass. If such at thing occurred, I suspect heath care premiums would drop like a brick!.....My point is why are the dems so afraid to try this before taking over the whole damn program?
Tort reform is another aspect that needs to be addressed. Honest to goodness Malpractice is one thing but there are so many frivolous lawsuits that drive up malpractice premiums of doctors that we all pay. Doctors are not gods and cannot possible see everything, so many of the have to over test and over treat out of fear of being sued.
I know you won’t agree, but this is the best way and it is the American way…..We aren’t Europe. State Run health care is great as long as the money is coming in, but when the cash flow dries up like in Greece, people take to the street and riot for their “lifestyle” that has spoiled them.
Now this an amazing response. You do know what you outlined is what once was called Hillary Care right?
Back then the republicans of course wanted a mandate.
So, the righties didn’t want any part of Hillary Care, instead wanted mandates and now since President Obama is so middle right he took your approach and BAMM… now you want Hillary Care.
Dude, it’s not about you, or me. It’s about the Koch brother’s and the powerful insurance lobby and their paid elected officials. The reality is whatever position President Obama took, your side was going to take the opposite. Your guy was president for 8 years and no mention of heath care. Not a one…. so we get a new president, he drafts a health care plan that your side wanted, and like McConnell clearly said, the goal wasn’t health care, it was to make him a one term president.
Whether it’s Hillary Care or the Affordable Health Care Act, if this doesn’t pass the incredibly conservative courts opinion, you and I and every other American will never get health insurance because the insurance lobby with their huge money backers will NEVER LET IT HAPPEN.
One of the justices wife has a lobby for the insurance lobby for God’s sake. And that same justice didn’t report over 100k of income from that same lobby.
As I said, I’ll wait to see how screwed up this decision is before I share my opinion.
Dude, if this is what you are speaking of there is very little similarities in what I am talking about:
‘The Clinton health plan required each US citizen and permanent resident alien to become enrolled in a qualified health plan and forbade their disenrollment until covered by another plan. It listed minimum coverages and maximum annual out-of-pocket expenses for each plan. It proposed the establishment of corporate “regional alliances” of health providers to be subject to a fee-for-service schedule. People below a certain set income level were to pay nothing. The act listed funding to be sent to the states for the administration of this plan’
This is back to the MANDATE…..She is REQUIRING all US Citizens to participate and subsidize the poor…..I am talking about a free market approach…...One that if people don’t want to participate that is their choice….
This isn’t about health care anymore, this is about Liberty and the government forcing people to buy things that they deem fit. If they win here, a precedent will be set for future mandates…..it must stop here.
