He makes sense…

Note that the difference between the SEC and ACC deal is actually less than 2 million dollars, yet somehow the perception is they are a mint and the ACC is in the trailer park.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/19156515/is-the-acc-doomed-in-football-not-if-it-follows-these-five-steps

http://www.accsports.com/blogs/david-glenn/2012052512839/david-glenn-on-clemsonfsu-realignment-comments.php

More sense from Dave Glenn.

We all know states of panic and fear are how you make your best decisions.

Here is the rub….as I understand it…and please correct me if I have not interpreted this correctly:

If the ACC started making 17 Million per school starting next year I would not be so quick to bolt because I feel some issues may be worked out.  As I understand it, that 17 Million per year is back loaded and doesn’t start paying out for 9 YEARS!.  That is simply too long.  Right now each school is earning about 13 Million a year or so and as I have stated in the past, that won’t cut it in this day and age based on how quickly College football is changing.

If moving to the Big 12 started paying 25-30 million as projected within 3 years when a school is fully vested it is a hell of a lot bigger difference than what this article claims.

The ACC is simply going to have to revisit income distribution and those schools that are bringing in the dollars in both football and basketball need to get a larger cut than those in th league for the ride.

I think the mistake is that you think other contracts aren’t and have immediate payouts. All contracts grow in size to account for inflation among other things.

Just cause some yahoo on scout says things doesn’t make them true, like the idea that the Big 12 is going to pay all your travel expenses. I have not seen this anywhere but it has been repeated on here. Guys like Barnhart have editors and have to adhere to journalistic standards. Message board fan sites make stuff up all the time, it gets repeated and then everyone acts like it is true.

SoPinesHeel - 26 May 2012 09:43 AM

I think the mistake is that you think other contracts aren’t and have immediate payouts. All contracts grow in size to account for inflation among other things.

Just cause some yahoo on scout says things doesn’t make them true, like the idea that the Big 12 is going to pay all your travel expenses. I have not seen this anywhere but it has been repeated on here. Guys like Barnhart have editors and have to adhere to journalistic standards. Message board fan sites make stuff up all the time, it gets repeated and then everyone acts like it is true.

I actually heard the money part in a quote from the Florida BOT member as I recall.

Warchant just did a write up on the travel expenses for FSU if y’all wanna check it out.

Barnhardt must be on meth, just last week he wrote a piece on how humorous the rumor of FSU going to the Big 12 was.

No the SEC will make 25 million a year when they do the contract again soon and in two years they are going to a SEC network for about another 10 million. FSU is not going to stay in the ACC for peanuts.

The ACC is going to have to get a job soon.

Seminole - 26 May 2012 03:09 PM

Barnhardt must be on meth, just last week he wrote a piece on how humorous the rumor of FSU going to the Big 12 was.

No the SEC will make 25 million a year when they do the contract again soon and in two years they are going to a SEC network for about another 10 million. FSU is not going to stay in the ACC for peanuts.

The ACC is going to have to get a job soon.

Seminole never lets us down.

I love that last line. Seriously funny.

The SEC has earned their TV money and if FSU left for the SEC I would understand. Same for Clemson and unfortunately the ACC has earned its money too. The big 12 has not earned anything, but the other schools get to ride Texas and a lesser extent OUs coat tails… I still am skeptical as to your financial gain.

Good example of why you should never listen to Tony again!

Abide in the dude!

http://dudeofwv.blogspot.com/2012/05/to-be-big-time-or-not-to-be-big-time.html

Yeah don’t listen to biased people. The Dude of WV has no agenda. None at all.

I am going to make this real easy.

Getting away from ESPN and going to FOX as tier 2 is also part of the model. With FOX, OU is talking to them about a Sooner channel.

It has been leaked that ACC schools will be making 14 million until 2021 when they will become fully vested and make the full 17 million. The Big 12 is making around 16 million now and will become fully vested in 2015. This changes with additions of FSU and Clemson as the clause jumps the contract to 22 or more per school immediately. FSU in the Big 12 will be making 10 million more at an absolute minimum. The Big 12’s revenue with FSU and Clemson is projected to be 22 million plus 2 million for a CCG and there are still several other revenue streams like the Champions Bowl and tier 3 media rights that I am not even including .Tier 3 media rights can jump it to around 30 million annually.

So the Big12 schools get $20million a year for the next 6 years in the current contract, but it’s going to be bumped up to $23 million with the renegotiation and that will start paying out in 2013 with FSU and clemson aboard.

What it boils down to is the Big 12 tier 1 and 2 media rights are worth more than all 3 ACC tier TV rights. FSU would not worry about leaving over a mere 3 million, nor clemson which is a founding ACC member.

Miami will be stuck in a two bit dog and pony show playing for peanuts and the rumor mill has it the Big 12 is not interested in Miami or Georgia Tech. They believe FSU and Clemson can capture the Atlanta market without them.

The big 12 might go to 14 but only if Notre Dame, Vt or NCSU or involved. It is doubtful Louisville or Maryland are involved. They don’t want to water down the product.

This Forbes article is also incomplete talking about the 20 million dollar club. The SEC will go to around 25 million when the SEC channel comes into play in a couple of years.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2012/05/29/

If you don’t think tier 3 rights are a big deal, consider now UF earns about 10 million a year off thiers with Sunsports. The ACC gets the money on FSU rights of tier 3.

“Bloggers like Heather Dinich make every argument in the book as to why FSU and Clemson will stay in the ACC but they miss the obvious reasons why both will leave: money and prestige.

Maybe writers like Dinich and David Teel just dismiss money as a motivator for change? It isn’t hard for to understand why if you believe the revenue gap between the Big 12 and ACC is only $3 million dollars.

No one of sound mind would expect FSU to leave the ACC over a measly $3 million dollars and we know Clemson, as a founding member of the ACC, would never leave over such a paltry amount.”

Of course Heather works for ESPN also don’t forget!

http://dudeofwv.blogspot.com/2012/05/to-be-big-time-or-not-to-be-big-time.html

You use averages as hard numbers. Whatever.

You also don’t compare apples to apples but you have made up your mind. I also think your school has too.

You and the Big 12 will soon rule the world.

From the podcast on the other thread…

Miss St and Indiana both make more TV money than FSU. Do you want to trade with them? I wouldn’t…

SoPinesHeel - 31 May 2012 01:40 PM

From the podcast on the other thread…

Miss St and Indiana both make more TV money than FSU. Do you want to trade with them? I wouldn’t…

Question begs to be asked would the SEC rather have an FSU than a Miss St though

GoTigers712 - 31 May 2012 02:06 PM

SoPinesHeel - 31 May 2012 01:40 PM

From the podcast on the other thread…

Miss St and Indiana both make more TV money than FSU. Do you want to trade with them? I wouldn’t…

Question begs to be asked would the SEC rather have an FSU than a Miss St though

The answer is an easy no.  Taking away an easy W and replacing it with an ? will not help teams like Alabama rack up wins.  For a league to have great teams (like the $EC) then it must have it’s collection of bottom dwellers for the best of the league to whipe it’s feet on.  This is something SC fans have not realized yet.

Seen on a Texas board and it did make me laugh.

“I’m sorry, but lil USC is not currently under consideration for entry into the Big 12. However, if you all would like to submit an application to be taken under consideration next year, we will be more than happy to review it at that time. We will be sure to perform proper due diligence and give all members the opportunity to veto your application if they so desire. We expect Clemson to issue such a veto because we are certain that they will not want another member in the conference from their home state. Have a nice day!”