http://dudeofwv.blogspot.com/2012/06/stop-insanity.html

Brian Ethridge, who talked about it earlier today came back and called it a Red Herring and apologized for biting on the information.

4schitzngrins - 13 June 2012 07:13 PM

SoPinesHeel - 13 June 2012 08:48 AM

& of course, it’s funny that you would take jabs @ people for assuming that a move to the B12 is immenent, yet you speculate that OU & TX will be in the PAC12.  Give me a break.  *SMFH*

Nice try but the difference is the Big 12 moves were made up by a blogger and the OU admin openly advocated and wanted to move to the Pac 12!!!!!!

They were rejected for trying to bring their little brothers OSU with them because the pac 12 schools would not accept those lesser universities. But academics dont matter right? If you dont see that then you should just keep shaking your head. Give me a break.

That is why we want to get next to Texas which ranks 45th, we should grow in intelligence by leaps and bounds. Our defensive line alone should add 20 points a year just by beating them down.

SoPinesHeel - 14 June 2012 10:43 AM

SoPinesHeel - 13 June 2012 08:48 AM

As to Dabo, you really think you know more about how recruiting is going than he does? I guarantee you South Carolina and other ACC programs are beating the Big 12 talk over recruits heads. Negative recruiting is a constant. You don’t think it is being used against you? Baylor (RG3 is gone) and Iowa St are the games you need to think( in front of 40k) about more often than Texas and OU. You can at least drive to Durham. Anyhow Texas and OU will be in the Pac 16 by the time you join.

I just wonder what you all and the bloggers will say when none of this happens, after all the “done deal” talk.

4schitzngrins - 13 June 2012 07:13 PM

& of course, it’s funny that you would take jabs @ people for assuming that a move to the B12 is immenent, yet you speculate that OU & TX will be in the PAC12.  Give me a break.  *SMFH*

Nice try but the difference is the Big 12 moves were made up by a blogger and the OU admin openly advocated and wanted to move to the Pac 12!!!!!!

They were rejected for trying to bring their little brothers OSU with them because the pac 12 schools would not accept those lesser universities. But academics dont matter right? If you dont see that then you should just keep shaking your head. Give me a break.

Obviously I’m new to this forum, & I’ll confess that I’ve only read a fraction of the threads, but in what I’ve seen from you so far, 2 themes clearly emerge. 1 - you often cite UNC’s academic stature in an attempt to bolster & defend your posts about UNC athletics. 2 - you like to mock & take biased, ACC (& thus UNC)-preserving shots at Clemson & FSU fans for speculating on &/or advocating for conference realignment.

In this thread you posted (your words, verbatim), “Anyhow Texas and OU will be in the Pac 16 by the time you join.  I just wonder what you all and the bloggers will say when none of this happens, after all the “done deal” talk.”  So, in one sentence you go beyond speculation & state definitively (or hyperbolically?), not only that Texas & Oklahoma WILL join the PAC12, but that the PAC12 WILL add 2 additional teams to become the PAC16, & in the very next sentence you mock conference expansion/realignment.

When called on it, you try to defend this by saying there is a difference, & but there really is none.  Regardless of what any OU official said, OU did not move & will not any time soon, so that never made it past the rumor/speculation stage.  & the current B12 moves are nothing but rumor/speculation too.  They are certainly being fueled by bloggers & sportswriters, but they are also being fueled by school officials in both the B12 & Clemson/FSU as well.  No difference there.  There is 1 difference, but it doesn’t really support your theory.  When OU officials were contemplating jumping ship, they were in a position of desperation b/c the B12 was falling apart & their future was uncertain.  During current discussions the B12 has stabilized & is going on the offensive, & Clemson/FSU are also weighing their options for realignment from a position of stability. 

As for the PAC12 not wanting to accept “lesser universities”, uhm, yeah, that’s a joke.  The ACC & B10 are the only major conferences to have any claim of academic superiority.  The PAC12’s average academic rank is 79th (distant 3rd to the ACC & B10 @ 56 & 56.25, respectively), & 6 schools topping the 100 mark (w/Colorado coming in just under that @ 94).  Outside of Stanford, Cal, USC, UCLA & Washington, the PAC12 has no academic ground to stand on.  Oklahoma is on par w/Oregon academically, & ahead of Washington State, Arizona, Utah, Arizona State, & Oregon State.  Oklahoma State is on par w/Arizona State & ahead of Oregon State.  Academics was an excuse.

Academics are only tangentially related to college sports b/c sports programs are sponsored by their academic institutions…so no, they DO NOT MATTER.  Actually, let me amend that statement.  They DO MATTER, but only in their negative impact on sport.  Schools are well w/in their rights to place academic restrictions on athletes, but that hurts the teams by keep good athletes off the field.  Also, denying sports conference affiliations b/c of academic concerns hurts money making opportunities for sports programs and hamstrings athletic departments.

There are only 2 times when academics matters in college sports. 1 - when academic institutions need an excuse to fall back on for making a sports-related decision.  2 - when fans of schools that cannot cut it on the field need to feel justified in their support of weak/mediocre athletic programs.  & before you get bent out of shape, I’m well aware of UNC’s overall athletic success.  That said, nobody brings up UNC’s academics when talking basketball, baseball, lacrosse, women’s soccer or field hockey.  However, when the conversation turns sour on UNC football, Tarheel fans pull out academic arguments.  It never fails.  Weak.  You may love UNC, & you have every reason to be proud of their academic reputation, but even though it may help you sleep @ night, don’t pretend to think that their academic reputation helps when the Tarheels step on the field.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Now that’s why I wanted 4schitz in our forum…......Now that is a vintage post!......LOL Well done

Oh lawd, coach…that guy is a rhodes scholor…..I can’t block him!!!!

Ironic thing is, football is the one causing them all the academic problems, yet academics and football always come up together.

Hearing some rumblings that discussion is centering around FSU wanting a championship game in the Big 12 and some schools there do not. (Texas, OU?)

Speculation that it could stretch things out to 2014 if not settled. FSU wants to make sure a stout ACC team goes there with us also. I wish they would get this thing going.

As we know Texas and Oklahoma would just prefer a team being simply decided as to who the Big 12 champion is, they think a championship game simply gives a team another opportunity for a loss and lock them out of a championship game.

A CCG however gives all the teams a chance at more money come payout time, of course Texas doesn’t need more money.

Well, thanks for the treatise but you in fact are WRONG!!!

OU, OSU, Texas and TTech were DENIED as a package from Pac 12 admission. It was voted on by the Pac 12 presidents. It had everthing to do with academics so you can claim it doesn’t all day and write as long as you want but that doesn’t change the fact. Look it up.

Next, I bring up Carolina’s status to respond to a direct attack from a jackass talking about the African Studies class. You can talk as much smack as you want. Doesn’t bother me other than to make me respond to your post. 

Thanks for trying to show us all how smart you are. Still wrong though.

Academics didn’t go well for you did it Pines? OU is not in the PAC 12 because they did not want OSU coming as a package. The president of OU also told them that OU, Texas and OSU were staying together period end of show.

Talk about academics all you want but one thing I have noticed is, I am able to absorb facts and process information and you are not. FSU wins again!

No doubt…just like you are going to get between 5 to 10 million dollars to televise Savannah St game on some unknown TV network if you can just leave the ACC.

SoPinesHeel - 17 June 2012 02:38 PM

Well, thanks for the treatise but you in fact are WRONG!!!

OU, OSU, Texas and TTech were DENIED as a package from Pac 12 admission. It was voted on by the Pac 12 presidents. It had everthing to do with academics so you can claim it doesn’t all day and write as long as you want but that doesn’t change the fact. Look it up.

Next, I bring up Carolina’s status to respond to a direct attack from a jackass talking about the African Studies class. You can talk as much smack as you want. Doesn’t bother me other than to make me respond to your post. 

Thanks for trying to show us all how smart you are. Still wrong though.

How precious.  Well, if you say I’m wrong, then I guess I must be wrong.  Nice “I’m rubber & you’re glue!” defense, by the way.  How about a nice, “My dad can beat up your dad!” in honor of Father’s Day?

1 - There is a point that can be made about TT’s academics…IF academics weren’t an excuse.  TT ranks next to last in the B12, & would last in the PAC12, but that still doesn’t change the fact that TX, OU & OSU would outrank existing members of the PAC12 in academic stature.  TX would be 6th, OU would be tied for 8th, & OSU would be 14th.

You can point to as many sources as you want that say academics was the reason, but while this would make you appear “technically correct” (perhaps appearances are all you’re concerned with?”), just b/c that’s the stated reason, doesn’t make it true.  Remember, OJ SAID he didn’t kill Ron & Nicole.  Casey Anthony SAID she didn’t kill her daughter.  Obama routinely SAYS that everything wrong in this country is Bush’s fault.  The Sweater Vest SAID he had no knowledge of any impropriety, & Butch Davis SAID he/his team did nothing wrong.  Just b/c people say things, does not make them true.

If the PAC12 had an ACC/B10 type membership base, then perhaps the academic argument would have been plausible.  The PAC12 is simply not known for academics, & less than half of its schools can claim to ANY sort academic superiority.  If academics were really the reason, then Colorado & Utah would not have been invited/admitted into the conference.  Academics was an excuse…but go ahead & keep clinging to that one.

2 - Recognition is the first step toward resolution, so for your own sake, don’t act as if this were the first time you’ve brought up UNC’s academics in response to football-related discussions.  Unless you’re trying to amuse us all.  Then, by all means, continue.

Pines

Hakuna Matata!

Pines I don’t mean this in a bad way but I think we come to situation where we can see that there are simply several people here who are smarter than you are. I am just being honest here. It is all about academics.

Thanks again for another treatise. So why were the Big 12 schools denied since you know so much?

What exactly is your point? I have no idea what you are trying to show anymore.

Academics don’t matter? Is that it? Yeah, that is why Mizzou was denied Big 10 membership and WVU was denied ACC and SEC membership. Because their football team wasn’t good enough right? Maybe that will explain why they ran up the score on Clemson. (Which was typical WV class btw and wrong but they were mad at the ACC.)

Recognition is the first step, unless you are trying to amuse us all. But hey, if you keep saying it then it must be true, which pretty much explains the Big 12 green grass.

Seminole - 17 June 2012 03:47 PM

Pines I don’t mean this in a bad way but I think we come to situation where we can see that there are simply several people here who are smarter than you are. I am just being honest here. It is all about academics.

Yep…5 to 10 million times smarter. On Fox Sports Panhandle.