The only one buying BS is you…one more example of it. Haters have never been known to have good judgement or vision. You are a prime example.

THINGS CHANGE DUDE FROM YEAR TO YEAR. VT FINISHED #3 A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WITH A LOSS!!!! MIAMI WAS DOMINANT AT THE START OF THE 2001s AND NOW THEY ARE .500.

Keep hatinggggggggggggggggggggg. You have no credibility so at least you have that.

Finished #3?  Wow, in the old BCS?  Tell me more!

Oh and #3 is not #2 or #1.

Fortunately it is a four team model.

Think before you post.

By the way, I don’t think they ever finished #3 on any poll while in the ACC.  They reached the #3 spot but finished around 12 somewhere?  In the new system they would still not beat out another team from a stronger conference, its not that hard to understand.

August 15th is the day the ACC needs to be aware of any conference moves. The playoff structure is just being voted on and revenue structure is still being debated. Notre lame nor FSU are going to come to hard conclusions until some of this is worked out.  They in fact had much input into it.

Only a semi retard is going to think that University presidents and various conferences are just going to drop the issue because of message boards. They are forming the big picture right now, it is prime time!

Serious debate on this matter.

http://www.tomahawknation.com/2012/6/20/3100100/can-notre-dame-still-save-the-acc

http://www.tomahawknation.com/2012/6/26/3118269/6-26-2012-reallignment-discussion?tw_p=twt

So message board chatter starts this, have been your sources but can’t be counted on now cause you don’t agree with them and want something else to be true.  Good.

VT finished #3 in the 2007 BCS. They had a record of 11-2. They would have definitely been in the playoff.
Once again, wrong. Keep hating.

The problem is not the conference. It is the teams in the conference not winning. Doesn’t take a lot of thought to figure this one out.

Ok, yet they lost to a Kansas team (Big 12), and only played against Clemson, Virginia, a Matt Ryan led BC, and LSU to prop their schedule up.  Lets look at the other 4 teams around them in the rankings that year.  LSU, Ohio St, Oklahoma, and UGA.

LSU
SEC > ACC (conference schedule), 7 Top 25 opponants not counting the championship game which stands alone.  11-2 regular season record.

Oklahoma
Big12 > ACC schedule, 3 top 25 opponents(4 if you count fiesta bowl), 1 of those top 25 was #1 when they beat them.  Their 2 regular season losses were for a combined 10pts.  11-2 regular season record.

Ohio State
Big 10 > ACC, 4 Top 25 opponents regular season (5 if you count Natl Championship), their only loss came at home by 7 points.  11-1 record regular season.

UGA
SEC > ACC, 4 top 25 opponents (5 if you count bowl), they beat all top 25 opponents they faced, combined losses were 25pts. 10-2 regular season.  2 losses came in conference play.

VT
ACC schedule, 5 Top 25 opponents (6 if you count orange bowl), they lost 2 of those 5 (3 if you count orange bowl), and their combined loss was 45pts.  11-2 regular season
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UGA non conf schedule - Oklahoma St(W), Western Carolina(W), Troy(W), GT(W), and Hawaii(W) if you count bowls.
VT non conf schedule - East Carolina(W), LSU (L), Ohio(W), William and Mary(W), Kansas(L) if you count bowls.

You would put a team that lost at least 50% of its quality games in over a team that won every single top 25 game they played in (UGA), AND played a better OOC schedule?  Come on dude.  VT lost to the only 2 quality non conference opponents they had.  While Georgia’s aren’t overly strong they still beat all of them by double digits.  If you want to take it on the surface, UGA was 5-0 OOC, VT was 3-2. Thankfully for all of us, SoPines is not on the selection committee.

Poor soul is just not able to correlate information

Yep, I just cant understand your ways. Point is you said no ACC team could finish in the top 4 without being undefeated and I gave you an example where they had with 2 losses.

Sorry, you were wrong. Keep hating hater.

You gave me an example, in the OLD BCS system.  Prove me wrong in the playoff system.

Give me three years and I will! I use evidence, not conjecture.

So who is going to do it FSU or Clemson?  What if both leave?  Who will be wrong then?  Can’t wait to see the result.

HATING FOR LIFE!

You will be hating for life cause Clemson ain’t going anywhere!

Neither is FSU but I will give them a sliver of a chance to leave so no exclamation point.

I will be hating life if Clemson doesn’t go anywhere you are right.  The hate will RAIN on everyone, especially the ACC.