“The ACC has done nothing for the Orange Bowl besides produce awful matchups and drive down TV ratings I don’t know who to feel worse for: the ACC for having to have its champion exposed in prime time for another decade, or the Orange Bowl for trying to pretend it got something of value in this deal”
Oh well….thats it. The High School sports editor in Jacksonville said so. Must be so. I give up. I wish we had locked up with the gator bowl to play in an oversized stadium in a city that doesnt support an NFL team. Would have been much better.
I bet the Dude and Chip Brown think it is an awful deal too. Notre Dame is headed to the Big 12 also. It is imminent sources say.
I see Notre Dame has admitted talking to the ACC about the orange bowl. This most likely indicates they are not going to go all in in the Big 12. This should pave the way for both FSU and Clemson to exit the ACC and join the big.
I know I am the new kid on the block, but I have been reading the comments about the ACC, the Orange Bowl, the Big 12 and so on and I think too much is being made about this new Orange bowl deal.
The ACC and the Orange Bowl had no choice but to team up. The Big 12 and the SEC formed a bowl alliance, the Big 10 and Pac-12 formed a bowl alliance so the Orange Bowl had Zero choice but to do something with the last of the 5 Conferences that made the cut in this new playoff deal. This is a marriage of necessity and not so much choice so do not fool yourself kiddies if you think otherwise. Notre Dame is apparently is feeling the same problem as it appears they will form some type of Orange Bowl deal because they are being left out of the other bowls.
Also, if anyone thinks Clemson is leaving the East Coast Time Zone to play in the Big 12 then I would remind you that weed is still illegal in the South. Clemson is in a great location for the fans and recruiting up and down the east coast. Has it not occurred to anyone that when we play ACC games that they serve as recruiting trips as well? If Clemson left the ACC to go west, they would lose a lot more than they would ever gain in those long term recruiting relationships with the high schools and essentially have to start over in many cases and recruit in the Texas league where they would most definitely be the odd man. Western Virginia will be experiencing that problem in the next few years and you will see how hard it may be to adapt.
I agree SoPines, except I’m not being sarcastic. Hogwash.
Really? Tell me where I am wrong. The ACC was fortunate to not be left behind due to weak showings in BCS play. The truth of the matter is that if the Mountain West had kept TCU, BSU and Utah they would be more deserving than the ACC.
What other BCS Bowl would sign this long of a deal with the ACC? The Sugar? The Fiesta? The Orange Bowl is taking the best deal they can get.
You know I am right on the Orange Bowl and they is no way Clemson is leaving Southern Football for Texas Football. The only remote chance of Clemson leaving the ACC would be if the SEC came calling and that isn’t going to happen. You can chase these internet rumors about the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow but a lot more savvy people running these schools know the big picture far better than bloggers.
ESPN has the SEC and the ACC set up just how they want them and the only thing that would change this would be Notre Dame and they will not join a conference unless by gunpoint.
you keep making this big deal about the OB being a BCS bowl, and our contract is 12 years…but how much longer is the OB a BCS bowl? has it been chosen to be a playoff site? I think this move was premature, the only way i would have agreed to such a long term contract with such a shifting landscape would be to have an opt-out clause at 5 years.
ATL or CLT have a much better chance than MIA, and while the BCS has brought a lot of prestige to the OB, i think a playoff site will eventually bring just as much to CFA bowl or Belk bowl.
It is a playoff site. The Orange has alot more money than the others you mention and now a guaranteed new years day time slot. The deal lasts as long as the playoff does.
Nobody is asking Clemson to move anywhere. I don’t know if your realize it but playing in the Big 12 does not necessitate moving the University to Texas. Six or more home games will still be played at Clemson, two away games at FSU and WVU, which is still in the south last time I looked. So without all the spin, 4 games a year might be played in the southwest.
Remember Texas, OU, OSU will be playing in Clemson also. Apparently going out of state and playing football games in not that big a problem for them. That is the way the big boys do it. Nebraska is pretty good plane ride from Penn State and the PAC 12 is the most geographically spread conference in college football.
For those who must have the cozy, homey comfort and camaraderie of the team down the street there is always high school football.
Recruits will respond when colleges actually play games that are exciting and count for something. It will help recruiting when colloquialism is dropped for national games on the big stage. Even Notre Dame does not insist on most of it’s games consisting of Illinois, Missouri and surrounding states.
If Clemson gets the invitation to the Big 12, it will accept it, and in a New York minute.
Too bad Clemson’s Head Football and Basketball coaches disagree with you…what do they know.
...but it is all just smoke to cover up the “backdoor channels” right?
Notre Dame is a national school and recruits as such. They are the only school in the nation that can go into any state in the union and recruit head to head against the “State U” of that state. Clemson and FSU do not. Dabo made the point that 85% of Clemson’s team comes from 4 states: SC, FL, GA, NC…mmm what conference covers those states. I wonder.
Nebraska has to travel pretty far to any game or for that matter any decent place where a sizable amounts of human beings actually exists. In case you aren’t aware, Nebraska and it’s adjacent states aren’t the most densely populated areas in the USA.
Clemson is in one of the best locations in the country to recruit. For that matter so is FSU.
I have heard the 7 home game argument but that just doesn’t tell the whole story. When you start playing a brand new list of people, your priories and focus will most definitely change. Look at it another way. 4 games will be on the road in the Texas League every year plus one if you make it to a league title game. The people you have recruiting will not recruit in the same places. You will naturally start sniffing around in oil/cattle country. The flip side is those Texas League schools will get into our backyards and start recruiting against us. It works both ways.
The real question is are you better off with the devil that you know or the devil that you don’t know? I say the latter.
By the way, this is a lot more entertaining actually having a legitimate sports debate than listening to a bunch of stunt-Cocks popping off on ESPN.
