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Posted: 17 July 2012 12:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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And what will be Clemson’s excuse? Young team, again? I see Swinney is already setting that excuse up:

“We’re going to have 61 freshmen and sophomores on this team. 80% of our roster will be freshmen an sophomores and that’s exciting to me” ~ Dabo Swinney

 

I would use the same excuse as last year.  We won the ACC with wins over FSU and VT twice….you know, that old chestnut.

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Posted: 17 July 2012 12:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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CU_Tigers4life - 17 July 2012 12:36 PM

And what will be Clemson’s excuse? Young team, again? I see Swinney is already setting that excuse up:

“We’re going to have 61 freshmen and sophomores on this team. 80% of our roster will be freshmen an sophomores and that’s exciting to me” ~ Dabo Swinney

 

I would use the same excuse as last year.  We won the ACC with wins over FSU and VT twice….you know, that old chestnut.


Was that the same excuse you used when Clemson got raped in the Orange Bowl? Congrats on that bowl record though.

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Posted: 17 July 2012 01:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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And the best way for the ACC to improve it’s standing is get rid of Swofford and find someone who is capable of garnering contracts that are not chicken feed. Although I don’t think this is going to be a problem FSU need worry about for much longer.

THIS.

Well you two have been flat WRONG and proven so on ever other realignment post you have made from backdoor channels to secret meetings to 28 million dollars a year in tv revenue…why not add a few more.

 

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Posted: 17 July 2012 01:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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Slappy - 17 July 2012 12:32 PM
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CU_Tigers4life - 17 July 2012 11:17 AM

It’s amazing, I take a little jab at the mighty Seminoles immediately followed by high praise for the current staff and players and you guys just can’t take it.


Slappy, wait until the regular season.  They are pretty tame right now.  The first time an FSU player gets a turf-toe the excuse factory will be open for business with ACC having a personal vendetta against FSU being among the most popular reason FSU keeps laying eggs

And what will be Clemson’s excuse? Young team, again? I see Swinney is already setting that excuse up:

“We’re going to have 61 freshmen and sophomores on this team. 80% of our roster will be freshmen an sophomores and that’s exciting to me” ~ Dabo Swinney

I have no problem with bringing up injuries or team youth as factors in success or failure.  They do have an effect and it’s part of the game.  If the backup was better than the starter he wouldn’t be the backup.  I do have a problem with people saying ‘if we had player X, we would have won the game’.  ‘I think we could have won that game’ is ok.
It is what separates the good from the great.  The old FSU would just keep rolling them out there.  I think the starters for FSU could beat any team in the country, but there are always injuries.  When you’re deep enough that it doesn’t matter or lucky enough not to have key injuries you can win all the games.

I emphatically concur but when your starting QB goes down that makes it even harder and dam near impossible. Even in FSU’s heyday, they couldn’t overcome an injury to their starting QB, just look at the 1998 season, Weinke get’s knocked out in the 10th game of the season vs UVA, Outzen came in and did a satisfactory job in the last 2 games of the regular season but when he faced a championship caliber defense in Tennessee in the title game, it was a wrap. More recently, look at Texas vs Bama a few years ago, McCoy goes down and that was it for the Longhorns. It’s a part of the game but it is what it is. I agree with you nevertheless.

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Posted: 17 July 2012 01:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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Nothing we’ve said is wrong until August 15th.  There have been meetings, secret BOT meetings that has been published.  At least I’m not running with the rumor florida radio put out the other day about Clemson and FSU in talks with the SEC.  August 15th, and even then if you can’t see these situations as fluid then you are blind.

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Posted: 17 July 2012 01:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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CU_Tigers4life - 17 July 2012 12:36 PM

And what will be Clemson’s excuse? Young team, again? I see Swinney is already setting that excuse up:

“We’re going to have 61 freshmen and sophomores on this team. 80% of our roster will be freshmen an sophomores and that’s exciting to me” ~ Dabo Swinney

 

I would use the same excuse as last year.  We won the ACC with wins over FSU and VT twice….you know, that old chestnut.


Was that the same excuse you used when Clemson got raped in the Orange Bowl? Congrats on that bowl record though.


No excuse….The better team whipped us that night…see how easy that is?

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Posted: 17 July 2012 06:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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I’m in the camp with the people who say Swofford should be fired, just for enabling the corrupt officiating is enough for me. He redeemed himself a little bit with the Orange bowl contract, it does not make up for the lousy tv contract, but at least with the OB contract the ACC is going to be in the same ball park with Rose Bowl, Champions Bowl, etc.

If you want to fix the ACC, start with the officiating. Even if the officiating is just “bad for everybody” taking out the bias aspect, bad officiating benefits the bad teams more so than the good teams. Upsets are not good for a conference looking for national respect. A bad team who upset one of the good teams in the regular season will not represent the conference very well in a bowl game if they just barely qualified (Wake from last year).

Fix the scheduling that allows the ACC teams to schedule a cream puff before their big OOC rival. That’s what SEC teams do, is it any wonder they win these games more often?

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Posted: 17 July 2012 06:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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Which conference has good officiating? I have yet to hear it. Go to any message board.

 

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Posted: 17 July 2012 06:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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SoPinesHeel - 17 July 2012 06:26 PM

Which conference has good officiating? I have yet to hear it. Go to any message board.

 

The ACC is on a different planet. Find another instance with an official sliding a ball toward the first down marker (FSU vs Wake), a measurement taken by using a piece of paper blowing in the wind (NCSU vs FSU) and a defensive player that takes a swipe at the football before the ball is snapped and is called a fumble (Clem vs GT).

All examples are just from this past season. No apology offered, just some BS defense of their training methods.

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Posted: 17 July 2012 06:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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Not to mention basketball officiating.  TERRIBLE TERRIBLE bias and just plain missed calls.  Football officiating has again, always lagged behind the other conferences.  They have been bad as long as I can remember.

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Posted: 17 July 2012 08:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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Oh okay…that settles it. Of course…you said so.

Weird how the officials all favored Carolina, even K said so, then he got Duke to the top and they all favor Duke now.

Weird how they favor Texas if you ask A&M fans too. Weird. Officials really like the good teams I guess.

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Posted: 17 July 2012 10:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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No, they hate the good teams in football.  Clemson and FSU can’t catch a break.  And then they make the “good” teams look better then they are in basketball.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX8x6CqR0y8&feature=related

Keep living in your fantasy world.  I’m going to start calling you Ray Charles, because you can’t see whats infront of your face.  You would fit in well in North Korea, eating up everything they feed you.

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Posted: 17 July 2012 10:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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Yep North Korea. Good analogy. There is no doubt the refs hate Clemson and all football teams that do well. It makes sense. Their motive is…what exactly?

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Posted: 17 July 2012 11:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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They work for Tobacco Road, no other motive needed.

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Posted: 17 July 2012 11:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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SoPinesHeel - 17 July 2012 10:44 PM

Yep North Korea. Good analogy. There is no doubt the refs hate Clemson and all football teams that do well. It makes sense. Their motive is…what exactly?

The refs motive is sports betting, the ACC leadership is too blind to realize its going on and so they let it pass.

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