Is there an impending scandal about to break or is this more Big 12 type internet conjecture?

So the ACC has a bunch of Tim Donaghy types?

It only takes 1 person on each crew to throw the game. Perhaps you can come up with a better explanation on how a ball moves on it’s own during a measurement? Earthquake? Demon possession? Magic?

Did that result in a first down?

So the refs are why FSU lost to Wake last year?

I have to agree that officiating is bad across the country.  I would also agree that it is especially bad in the ACC, which is part of the leagues image problem.  Football and BBall are different.  Of course as a Clemson fan I’m extra critical when it comes to my team, but I also watch a lot of whatever game is on and I see both sides getting screwed at multiple points in every game. It’s not favoritism, it’s incompetence.  Whether the bad calls directly affect the outcome is irrelevent.  It affects the way a game is played.  Even in a bowl game with teams from other conferences and ACC refs you hear both fan bases say the same thing.  Not that they got screwed, but that the refs were just bad.

Don’t get me started on BBall.  There is definitely favoritism.  I’ve yet to meet the dook fan who will acknowledge it, but a good number of Tarheel friends can see it.  maybe they’re just humoring me. lol

Fine, I am all for better officiating. I get tired of the lets complain about everything ACC crowd. I see this as an extension of it. It is so stupid and I have done my best to illustrate as such. Have you ever heard SEC fans complain about their refs?

What about the call that cost VT the win last year against Michigan? That wasn’t the ACC.

We will agree to disagree on the idea that refs are why Carolina wins in basketball. Ever notice that the teams that complain about refs favoratism don’t have as good a players and as good of a coach? Carolina wins because Carolina has better players and better coaching. Fact. The rest is sour grapes from teams that aren’t as good.

SoPinesHeel - 18 July 2012 09:41 AM

Fine, I am all for better officiating. I get tired of the lets complain about everything ACC crowd. I see this as an extension of it. It is so stupid and I have done my best to illustrate as such. Have you ever heard SEC fans complain about their refs?

What about the call that cost VT the win last year against Michigan? That wasn’t the ACC.

We will agree to disagree on the idea that refs are why Carolina wins in basketball. Ever notice that the teams that complain about refs favoratism don’t have as good a players and as good of a coach? Carolina wins because Carolina has better players and better coaching. Fact. The rest is sour grapes from teams that aren’t as good.

I never said that favoritism is why Carolina wins in BBall.  You’ve got great players, 2nd best minor league NBA program in the country, and a (cough) great coach.  Favoritism just makes it that much harder for lesser teams to beat them.  There’s a difference.

Alright sorry…I admit I get a little touchy when folks like State fans especially complain about refs. You dont beat a team 18 times in a row due to refs. Your argument was the same that they make.

BTW minor point but Carolina and Kentucky both had 4 first rounders with Carolina having a higher average pick. They just had the first 2.

Thats what losers like you always say. Get a better team.

SoPinesHeel - 17 July 2012 08:14 AM

I hear you on SOS but the 9 game schedule is for tv revenue purposes. Notice that the Pac 12 is already there and the big 10 is now trying to go to it? More inventory to sell.

Alot of schools like it too because they hate having to pay the guarantee games which are now starting to get in the 7 figures. See Saban wanting the SEC to do it earlier this year.

The big 5 will all be at 9 games in the next few years. Win the games and SOS will not be a factor.

The ACC went to 9 games before they began negotiating the TV contract. The 9 game schedule only benefits the NC schools, so that they maintain the rotation of the unprotected member of the little 4 they had when the conference was 12 teams. God knows they are the only ones looking forward to UNC/Wake Forest and NC State/Duke football games.

The PAC12 went with a 9 game schedule because out west they don’t have nowhere near as many OOC options as the teams do back east, and it costs them a lot more money to bring these teams in, even the FCS teams, for a game than it does for a ACC/SEC/Big East/etc. team. It was a cost cutting measure for the PAC12.

The B1G was looking at it before the scheduling alliance talks started with the PAC12, but dropped the 9th game when that started. They are looking at it again since the scheduling alliance has fallen through, but it is far from certain that they are going to 9 conference games.

The Big XII went to 9 conference games to maintain inventory for television after they dropped to 10 teams when Colorado and Nebraska left. For them it makes sense because they can play a full round robin schedule.

Saban brought up the 9 game schedule, but Slive quickly brought up the point that it would be competitively disadvantageous for Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina because they have rivals they play every year outside the SEC.

As for winning the games and SOS will not matter, you are way off base here.  SOS isn’t just who you beat, it’s who the teams that you beat beat. Schedules like NC State with two FCS teams, or UNC’s seemingly yearly Big East challenge aren’t doing us any favors. If the conference is going to insist on keeping the asinine 9th conference game, then they nee to mandate that everybody who isn’t hurt by this BS ramp up their OOC scheduling.

Ummm thanks for the backhanded slaps…UNC had a home and home with Tennessee. They bought out of it, hence Idaho. Carolina just signed an upcoming with Ohio St and we have tried unsuccessfully to get games with UGA and Penn St.

2013 is South Carolina, Minnesota and ECU for nonconference. I guess we need more SC State and The Citadel.

Spare me the jab on the schedule….the little four huh. Big talk coming from someone in Little Carolina.

SoPinesHeel - 18 July 2012 03:10 PM

Ummm thanks for the backhanded slaps…UNC had a home and home with Tennessee. They bought out of it, hence Idaho. Carolina just signed an upcoming with Ohio St and we have tried unsuccessfully to get games with UGA and Penn St.

2013 is South Carolina, Minnesota and ECU for nonconference. I guess we need more SC State and The Citadel.

Spare me the jab on the schedule….the little four huh. Big talk coming from someone in Little Carolina.

First off, they weren’t backhanded….they were right up front where you could see them. If they were backhanded there would have been a compliment attached, and there’s nothing about UNC football that deserves complementing.

Second, I have a hard time calling any group big where the best winning percentage out of the four against Clemson is NC State’s .356.  We are 100 games over .500 against UNC, NC State, Wake, and Duke combined.  Even playing all four every year it would take 25 years to wipe that out. Big 4?  Hardly.  This is Southern Pigskin, not Southern Hoops.

Then don’t. I don’t care if you call us the Big 4 or not. The moniker has nothing to do with football but references historically the 4 largest schools in the state. Obviously you are familiar enough to reference it. Try to know something about it first.

Jesus, the hatred from you all is unbelievable. Notice how the thread started with a direct jab at me. You “Cats” are some class acts. And I am the arrogant one? Not quite. I expect nothing less though.

Alright SoPines, you came looking for an argument responding to my corrupt ACC ref accusations. You’re going to have a hard time convincing me otherwise after all the things I’ve seen. I’m not a complete homer where I can’t see where other teams are getting bent over if it’s FSU getting the benefit, i’ve seen a few blown calls that helped FSU last year, but the vast majority of these blown calls, no calls, ouija board moving balls went against FSU. These penalties did not even out, they are quite one sided.

I don’t know how you can say the officiating does not need to be fixed when one of the bigger screw jobs of the year went against UNC vs VT this past year. I can say with full confidence that there were about 4 games that were that badly officiated going against FSU.

After so many years of watching football, I think I can tell the difference between a game that is officiated good and poorly by now.

SoPinesHeel - 18 July 2012 03:47 PM

Then don’t. I don’t care if you call us the Big 4 or not. The moniker has nothing to do with football but references historically the 4 largest schools in the state. Obviously you are familiar enough to reference it. Try to know something about it first.

Jesus, the hatred from you all is unbelievable. Notice how the thread started with a direct jab at me. You “Cats” are some class acts. And I am the arrogant one? Not quite. I expect nothing less though.

The thread didn’t begin with a jab at you.  If anything, it was a jab at the secessionists.  I may be new here, but this board is littered with threads hijacked by the little feud between you three.  I knew the title alone would be tempting for the ACC haters, and that you wouldn’t be able to resist responding, so I put that in there to delay the inevitable and maybe have an honest discussion of the topic for a while.  I don’t hate anybody here….yet.