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Posted: 21 January 2013 12:16 PM   [ Ignore ]
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This is just ruthless, low-class shenanigans.  I respect the man’s coaching ability, but he’s a total pos as a human being.  Commitment is a two-way street.  At least give the kids time to figure something out.

http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/college-recruiting/2013/jan/21/nick-saban-switches-injured-recruits-scholarship-g/

and it’s not the first time.

http://blogs.ajc.com/recruiting/2012/02/01/justin-taylor-safely-signed-with-kentucky-speaks-candidly-on-alabama/

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/02/alabama_commitment_darius_phil_1.html

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Posted: 21 January 2013 01:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2013/01/handley_ol_bradley_bozeman_say.html

It was Bozeman and his family’s decision to gray shirt. Don’t believe everything you read on the Internet. Bonjour.

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Posted: 21 January 2013 02:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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tider4life - 21 January 2013 01:36 PM

http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2013/01/handley_ol_bradley_bozeman_say.html

It was Bozeman and his family’s decision to gray shirt. Don’t believe everything you read on the Internet. Bonjour.

Yeah, he ‘decided to accept the greyshirt’ because accepting the scholarship offer was no longer an option.  He’d rather put up with Saban’s BS and eventually (maybe, it probably depends on how well his rehab goes) play for Bama, than accept a scholly at some other school.  That doesn’t make it right what Little Nicky did.  The other two players I mentioned decided, with their families, to not put up with it.

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Posted: 21 January 2013 03:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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A couple months ago the Alabama staff had mentioned it as an idea and a “just in case” situation. Bozeman and his family had thought about the situation and determined they would be ok with it if it came down to that because it would give him the extra 6 months to rehab his knee. It was a fully supported decision by him and his family.

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Posted: 21 January 2013 06:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Tider I’d wish you’d wake your bama brethren Harry up.  Harry quick, how many players has this happened to at Alabama since the Jurassic period?

I lump Saban, Spurrier, Kiffin, Belichick, etc all in the same boat.  Good coaches, apart for Kiffin, but giant dbags.

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Posted: 21 January 2013 07:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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At the end of the day, dude wins championships. No matter what he is does off the field that is all that will matter to people.

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Posted: 21 January 2013 07:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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As a player/recruit/parent I would be greatly discouraged by oversigning though.  Hurts kids getting thrown away like trash is pretty low.

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Posted: 21 January 2013 07:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Clemtgrs - 21 January 2013 06:19 PM

Tider I’d wish you’d wake your bama brethren Harry up.  Harry quick, how many players has this happened to at Alabama since the Jurassic period?

I lump Saban, Spurrier, Kiffin, Belichick, etc all in the same boat.  Good coaches, apart for Kiffin, but giant dbags.

He may have a couple things like this happen, but at the same time he does a lot of stuff the right way. He makes sure that his players are on the right track as football players and people. If you notice, it is not a coincidence that Alabama rarely has players who are in academic trouble, legal trouble, etc. He holds the players to strict standards and they have to be met. I mean he sent players home from the national title game because they broke curfew by an hour. I actually prefer the business-like approach he has to the program versus the loose nature of other programs. The players know going in (because he will tell you straight) what it will take to earn your scholarship. His scholarship is based off of year by year performance and can be taken away if you aren’t doing the right things (as it should be).

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Posted: 20 February 2013 12:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/eye-on-college-football/21733077/

Like I said…

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Posted: 20 February 2013 01:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Slappy - 20 February 2013 12:07 PM

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/eye-on-college-football/21733077/

Like I said…

The guy got #s wrong on a couple of the different schools. He isn’t very credible. Plus, why can’t an institution back off of its commitment but the players can: (academics, motivation, not going to class, legal issues, robbing people, taking money from agents, etc). The SEC has a yearly cap of 25 players. A player can be at the school for up to 5 years. 25x5 = 125, assuming they all stayed the whole time. The problem is there is so much uncertainty. Look at UGA and Auburn. They lose half of their recruits every year to legal issues and not making the grades. This is why they are allowed to sing 30+ players in a given recruiting class. Saban has done nothing illegal with the process. If a guy is a junior and doesn’t have a good chance to start or get significant playing time at Alabama, then why not try to get him somewhere that he can go in and play the remaining downs he has left in college? And the author also says that Bozeman will grayshirt as well as several others who may be forced too as well. Bozeman agreed to the grayshirt after talking with his parents about it MONTHS BEFORE SIGNING DAY. And no other recruits have been linked to a possible grayshirt route. The guy is just butthurt and throwing out statistics as if he knows something. Of those 101 players signed over the 5 years, something like 15 juniors left early for the draft. I know of at least 10 players who decided to transfer on their own.

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Posted: 20 February 2013 03:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Legal and unethical are not necessarily mutually exclusive. 

I would expect you to defend your guy, but if you’re buying this whole greyshirt bullshit or believe that all the players who transferred did so because they wanted to or that it’s okay for a supposed institution of higher learning to act like a 17 year old entitled athlete, then there’s not much to talk about.

Saban may not be breaking the rules, but they’re being stretched like Rex Ryan’s bike shorts.

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Posted: 20 February 2013 03:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Slappy - 20 February 2013 03:18 PM

Legal and unethical are not necessarily mutually exclusive. 

I would expect you to defend your guy, but if you’re buying this whole greyshirt bullshit or believe that all the players who transferred did so because they wanted to or that it’s okay for a supposed institution of higher learning to act like a 17 year old entitled athlete, then there’s not much to talk about.

Saban may not be breaking the rules, but they’re being stretched like Rex Ryan’s bike shorts.

There’s nothing unethical about a conditional scholarship offer. If you get an academic scholarship and don’t meet the requirements, guess what? You lose your scholarship. It should be no different to these student athletes. And the greyshirt stuff came directly from Bozeman’s mouth. He said that Saban had talked to them abou the possiblity of the greyshirt and Bozeman said that he wanted to honor his comittment and that Alabama was the only school he wanted to attend. You must be one of those people who believes that everybody deserves a trophy or a medal, aren’t you? Can you imagine if your employer handed out a 4-5 year contract? First thing people would do is slack off. You have to earn your spot in the business every day.

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Posted: 20 February 2013 03:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Its unethical because you are treating kids like they are disposable.  He bring kids in and trashes anyone that isn’t top notch.  These are supposed to be student athletes not amateur athletes.  The first post had several other kids that were forced to grey-shirt or transfer.  The man’s word it worthless.

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Posted: 20 February 2013 06:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Ancient Orange - 20 February 2013 03:56 PM

Its unethical because you are treating kids like they are disposable.  He bring kids in and trashes anyone that isn’t top notch.  These are supposed to be student athletes not amateur athletes.  The first post had several other kids that were forced to grey-shirt or transfer.  The man’s word it worthless.

The man’s word is “You have been offered a one year scholarship”. He tells the recruits this, but he also lays it out that if you come in and work and do what the coaches ask of you, that you will do well. And if you mean 2 other players when you say “several” then ok. And neither of the other two ever made it onto campus. Meaning neither were forced to greyshirt and certainly neither transfered.

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Posted: 20 February 2013 06:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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Here’s the issue:

Are you ever forcing a kid in good standing with the university to leave or pay his own way prior to graduating just to free up a scholarship?

If not, then there’s nothing wrong with it.

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Posted: 20 February 2013 06:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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This is why multi year scholarships need to be a thing.  I will put Bama in a hard place because once they get known for trashing kids they will hurt their recruiting image.  Momma doesn’t want to send her kid somewhere to be thrown out with the trash.  Right now oversigning is kinda swept under the rug but if multi year contracts come into to play coaches will need a better reason than “oh I brought in a more talented player we don’t need you any more” and being hurt probably won’t be a contractual reason to kick a player off the team.  It will hold the coach/team accountable for giving the education they promised.

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