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Posted: 24 January 2013 05:49 PM   [ Ignore ]
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So my basic understanding of oversigning is signing more players then you need and quickly cutting the players that don’t produce how you like to make room for more recruits the next season.  Personally I think this is unethical most of the times because instead of focusing more on player development it lives more on an immediate success or bust mentality trashing some kids career that could have needed a little more time. 

So you get 85 scholarships total so 21 per year so most teams should be aiming for the 20-24 range for recruiting with a few walk-ons that don’t take a scholarship.  So is a team like UGA who has what looks like 18 seniors (and I’m sure some juniors leaving early, idk how many) signing 29 commits just to be greedy and oversigning or did they lose a bunch of underclassmen?  Also are there any rules that really limit oversigning?

UGA 29, Florida and LSU 27, TA&M 31.  Just seems odd to me.

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Posted: 24 January 2013 06:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Early enrollees count toward the prior year. Georgia had 13 enroll this month, therefore they only have 16 commitments that count towards the current year numbers. The SEC limits class size to 25 per year.

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Posted: 24 January 2013 06:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Do you remember how many commits/early enrollees they had last year?

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Posted: 25 January 2013 10:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Ancient Orange - 24 January 2013 06:24 PM

Do you remember how many commits/early enrollees they had last year?

19 total, but not sure of the breakout between January and summer enrollees. At least one of those (John Atkins, who is in this year’s class) did not qualify and attended prep school.

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Posted: 25 January 2013 12:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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http://georgia.247sports.com/Season/2012-Football/Commits

You can go to the team and look by year. Notice the “Enrolled” date. 1/9/2012 means they were an early enrolee and 6/4/2012 means they were standard. “Signed” means that they didn’t make it on campus yet (for previous years only). So 14 players were technically counted towards last years class. Add the 13 EE from this year and you get 27 for the 2012 signing period. Not sure if maybe 2 of those 27 received grayshirts, walk ons etc. That # should be 25 or below.

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Posted: 27 January 2013 04:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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The number to look at is the hard 85 scholarship cap number.

As previously mentioned, the SEC passed the 25 yearly scholarship limit, but early enrollees can be back counted.

The 2012 UGA signing class inked 19 players.  Three never made it to UGA and two were sent to Hargrave. Giving UGA 16 signers for the class.

UGA essentially operated the 2012 season under self-imposed sanctions playing with 69 scholarship athletes (74 I believe if you count walk ons who were given scholarships)

The 2013 signing class UGA could sign the normal 25+9 players (if they early enrolled, could be back counted to the 2012 class[16+9 = 25]) + they could sign the 2 who were sent to Hargrave if those 2 also early enrolled, giving them a total of 36 total signees.

As it stands, one of those Hargrave signees from 2012 could not early enroll and one could, lowering the number UGA can sign to 35.

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Posted: 27 January 2013 05:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Alright thanks, got it now.

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Posted: 05 February 2013 01:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Found this little nugget that expanded on oversigning a little more. 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203716204577016110526669958.html

I think the multi year scholarship idea is great.  It will help promote building players up and make teams more invested in their players as they should be.

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