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Posted: 08 March 2010 05:26 PM   [ Ignore ]
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What do the former players think about Kiffen and how good will you all be this year?

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Posted: 10 March 2010 04:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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TBE please forgive me for the tone in which I respond to your question, It’s just that every time I hear the words ‘LANE KIFFIN’ an uncontrollable itch flares in the seat of my pants. I can say without any inhibition, reservation or hesitation that the majority of volunteers past and present view Lane Kiffin as a colossal JACK ASS!!! I was one of the few people that was very concerned when he was hired.
Al Davis will employ any reject or castaway that can run, catch or coach as long as he believes you are honest, and that you will do what you said you will do. And for HIM to to call Mike Hamilton and say that Kiffin has no Honor and for Mike Hamilton to go on and make the hire probably set UT back 6 years. I believe Tennessee is where Alabama was after the Mike DuBose debacle. DuBose screwed it up, Shula cleaned it up, Saban reaped the rewards (Taking nothing away fron Saban, I think he is the best coach in the land).
Thusly, Kiffin Screwed it up, Dooly will clean it up, and the next guy, whomever it will be, will lead UT back to prominence. Just My opinion.

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Posted: 10 March 2010 05:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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SECDADDY - 10 March 2010 04:11 PM

TBE please forgive me for the tone in which I respond to your question, It’s just that every time I hear the words ‘LANE KIFFIN’ an uncontrollable itch flares in the seat of my pants. I can say without any inhibition, reservation or hesitation that the majority of volunteers past and present view Lane Kiffin as a colossal JACK ASS!!! I was one of the few people that was very concerned when he was hired.
Al Davis will employ any reject or castaway that can run, catch or coach as long as he believes you are honest, and that you will do what you said you will do. And for HIM to to call Mike Hamilton and say that Kiffin has no Honor and for Mike Hamilton to go on and make the hire probably set UT back 6 years. I believe Tennessee is where Alabama was after the Mike DuBose debacle. DuBose screwed it up, Shula cleaned it up, Saban reaped the rewards (Taking nothing away fron Saban, I think he is the best coach in the land).
Thusly, Kiffin Screwed it up, Dooly will clean it up, and the next guy, whomever it will be, will lead UT back to prominence. Just My opinion.

I can’t say I blame you for your perspective. His departure was done poorly, but as you say, it’s probably best in the long run.

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Posted: 10 March 2010 05:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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SECDADDY - 10 March 2010 04:11 PM

… every time I hear the words ‘LANE KIFFIN’ an uncontrollable itch flares in the seat of my pants.

Some Desitin or Boudreaux’s Butt Paste should clear that up.

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Posted: 10 March 2010 09:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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They’re a team in transition and turmoil, but they have made a good hire and have a bright future.  (Though to be honest, I think Hamilton panicked and is luckier than he and most other fans realize in this situation.)

I’ll be frank though, anything over 7 wins is overachieving this season.

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Posted: 10 March 2010 09:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Jordan Martin - 10 March 2010 09:34 PM

They’re a team in transition and turmoil, but they have made a good hire and have a bright future.  (Though to be honest, I think Hamilton panicked and is luckier than he and most other fans realize in this situation.)

I’ll be frank though, anything over 7 wins is overachieving this season.

Very, very unlikely that Dooley does as well at UTN as in his first year as Kiffin did.  He will not even match the 7 regular season wins that Kiffin led them to.  5 wins is a more realistic goal for the fans to have.

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Posted: 11 March 2010 02:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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I don’t believe it’s at all unlikely, foregoing the adverb “very.” There is still enough talent on that football team to win five of their games.  Since injuries and gameday performance cannot be calculated, we are left with two calculable variables: Established and potential talent and recent history (head-to-head.) Apologies to any fans of the following schools, I’m not attempting to demean these programs, it’s simply the way I feel concerning the talent and experience of all these teams when compared with another.

Tennessee has more talent and depth across the board than Tenn-Martin, UAB, Memphis, Vandy and Kentucky.  Yes, we all know talent alone doesn’t win games, it would be ignorant to assume otherwise.  Missed assignments, penalties, turnovers, injuries and low and lazy motivation and not being able to account for opposing tactics can all overcome the advantage of talent greatly.  However, what I AM saying is these are games Tennessee CAN (not should or will) win with talent alone. 

There are your five games.  Of course, that’s “realistic” because the odds and conditions favor it being true. 

Now let’s look at the remainder of their schedule:  Oregon (at home), Florida, at LSU, at Georgia, Alabama, at South Carolina, at Mississippi.

If I were going to view that with the same format, I think Florida and Alabama are probable losses.

The rest are winnable games.  There’s no way to predict now how they’ll fare when gameday comes, let alone two minutes before kickoff, but I know they won’t be completely outclassed in those games.

The Vols haven’t had much luck with the Pac-10 lately, but Oregon comes into Knoxville a very long trip and tough road test early on for a team that has a great deal of talent, but displayed a great deal of vulnerability and confusion in their bowl loss. 

LSU is still a very talented and gifted football team, but they don’t have the foundation they’ve had in the past.  The offense isn’t going to find itself early and even if it does, it won’t have enough bite to force Tennessee into no-mistake mode.  LSU still has a good rush front, and some steady players in the secondary, but they are nowhere near the dominant presence they were 3 seasons ago.

Georgia was beaten handily by UT, that won’t happen again..not with Richt and co. facing pressure from the fans and not in Athens.  Still, Georgia is reconfiguring their entire defense and I don’t see how most of their d-linemen properly (save Kwame Geahters at NT, maybe) fit in a three man front.  They think DeAngelo Tyson will work out, I don’t...Just a matter of opinion and outside study.  That’s their job to figure it out and I’ll bet you’ll see a lot of that going on three or four weeks into the season.  Georgia’s offense will be good, but the line concerns me and I’d really like to see Caleb King become more active for them to be effective.  This is still a winnable game.

Ole Miss is going to have a year which will determine the direction of the program under Nutt, and his future with the program entirely.  They’ve lost their center and the entire right side of their line, particularly John Jerry, their best three offensive players, including their quarterback who was hit and miss all season (he definitely hit in the Tennessee game).  They lost a good deal of experience in six defensive starters, as well.  The game is late in the season, so if Mississippi hasn’t made the transition by this point, they’re already in trouble.  Regardless, I don’t think they’ll be anywhere on the level with where they’ve been the past two seasons. 

By the time Halloween rolls around, we usually see what the future holds for Carolina.  They’ve started strong, but finished weak.  If they aren’t around by this time of the season, Tenessee has a shot at winning in Columbia.  I can’t in good faith buy into an unproven running back, an inconsistent quarter back, a dated offensive system, a new line coach with a line still looking for an identity and a defense that turns to replace the core of its defense as much as others are.  This is further bolstered by the fact they have underachieved with a great amount of talent before.  Despite that, Carolina does have a solid football team and is probably the more well-rounded squad between them and Tennessee.  Still there are too many question marks for me to think Carolina can win this one without answering those questions.

All in all, UT replaces their starting qb, need to quickly develop their WRs to complement Jones, Bryce Brown has to become the workhorse, and the defense will have to find itself in the returning starters and try to rely on the recruiting success they’ve enjoyed the past two years bringing along their young talent.

Since everyone is 0-0, they stand to go undefeated.  THAT is unrealistic.  I don’t think they will beat Bama, Florida or LSU.  That gives them three losses. 

That leaves Oregon, Mississippi, Georgia and South Carolina.  Those are all teams that given the circumstances right now, I think Tennessee can beat.  I think they can and will beat Mississippi and South Carolina.  That gives them 7 wins.  That’s not even coming from a Vols fan.

That’s why I stated 7 wins is a realistic expectation for this team.  A win and a loss isn’t measured in the point differential of a game, either.  I would tell the Vols fans now 5 is also a realistic possibility, but I think that’s the bottom line for this team.

(That’s not to say the teams I mentioned above will lose, and Kentucky will give them a run for it, I believe.  I have different reasons for why other teams could beat Tennessee, I was only stating the potential for this team.)

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Posted: 11 March 2010 08:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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I would say based on who Tenn is losing and them not getting that “monster” recruiting class that Kiffin had set up to come in.. that UK could very well beat UT next year. UT doesn’t have a good QB situation for next year, they lose their best RB, and not to mention probably their best defensive player ever in Berry. This will be a tough year for UT fans but I do believe that they picked a good coach and that he will get things going on the right track. Huuuuge jump from Kitten especially as a person and for the program.

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Posted: 11 March 2010 10:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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I think this could be a tough year for Vol fans....BUT...the east looks pretty unproven so who knows…

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Posted: 11 March 2010 12:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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I still think that the SECE looks like this.

Florida

Everybody else.

The other teams are all fighting for second place. UGA was horrible last year with a 5th year senior coming in so I don’t suspect this year to be much different and they also lose a lot on D including Curran who was a monster LB for them. USC has been nothing but hype for the past few years so you can’t really assume much with them. UT is in a bad bad bad situation this year with all the players they lose + new HC. UK has a few players but still won’t finish higher than 3rd. And Vandy is Vandy.

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Posted: 11 March 2010 12:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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SECDADDY - 10 March 2010 04:11 PM

TBE please forgive me for the tone in which I respond to your question, It’s just that every time I hear the words ‘LANE KIFFIN’ an uncontrollable itch flares in the seat of my pants. I can say without any inhibition, reservation or hesitation that the majority of volunteers past and present view Lane Kiffin as a colossal JACK ASS!!! I was one of the few people that was very concerned when he was hired.
Al Davis will employ any reject or castaway that can run, catch or coach as long as he believes you are honest, and that you will do what you said you will do. And for HIM to to call Mike Hamilton and say that Kiffin has no Honor and for Mike Hamilton to go on and make the hire probably set UT back 6 years. I believe Tennessee is where Alabama was after the Mike DuBose debacle. DuBose screwed it up, Shula cleaned it up, Saban reaped the rewards (Taking nothing away fron Saban, I think he is the best coach in the land).
Thusly, Kiffin Screwed it up, Dooly will clean it up, and the next guy, whomever it will be, will lead UT back to prominence. Just My opinion.

Out of curiosity who does the former players want to coach at UT? So much tradition in Knoxville and so many big time players and COACHES who have gone through the program who do you all want to be that “next” guy you referred to?

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Posted: 11 March 2010 04:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Jordan Martin - 11 March 2010 02:33 AM

I don’t believe it’s at all unlikely, foregoing the adverb “very.” There is still enough talent on that football team to win five of their games.  Since injuries and gameday performance cannot be calculated, we are left with two calculable variables: Established and potential talent and recent history (head-to-head.) Apologies to any fans of the following schools, I’m not attempting to demean these programs, it’s simply the way I feel concerning the talent and experience of all these teams when compared with another.

Tennessee has more talent and depth across the board than Tenn-Martin, UAB, Memphis, Vandy and Kentucky.  Yes, we all know talent alone doesn’t win games, it would be ignorant to assume otherwise.  Missed assignments, penalties, turnovers, injuries and low and lazy motivation and not being able to account for opposing tactics can all overcome the advantage of talent greatly.  However, what I AM saying is these are games Tennessee CAN (not should or will) win with talent alone. 

There are your five games.  Of course, that’s “realistic” because the odds and conditions favor it being true. 

Now let’s look at the remainder of their schedule:  Oregon (at home), Florida, at LSU, at Georgia, Alabama, at South Carolina, at Mississippi.

Decent analysis certainly worthy of a response so let me chime in with my 2 cents.  I think UTn will really struggle at QB this season.

Tenn-Martin easy win
UAB strong favorite to win
Memphis Strong favorite to win

Vandy Utn should win

Kentucky another strong possible win for UTn, though would not just chalk it up. 

Ole Miss toss up.  I do not think either team is all that good.  Ole Miss is at home though.

@Georgia Georgia is the better team and will be strongly favored in a revenge game.

@little sc Little sc has on paper what should be their best team in some time.  Experienced Qb and spurrier does not have too many seasons left.  They have to be the strong favorite in this one.

Florida Florida loses a lot, but still have far more talent across the board then Utn.

Oregon Oregon is a team in off-season turmoil and I expect Masoli to be kicked off the team.  That being said Oregon is light years better than UTn right now.  Darren Thomas is a star waiting to happen at QB for them, and this is a Rose Bowl team who is returing 40 of their top 44 players.  It is a long flight and going west to east is somewhat harder on the body than vice-versa, but this could be a blowout.

Alabama Bama loses more talent than people think, and they will not be as good as last year, but they will still be too much for Utn.

I just do not think that Derek Dooley is capable of getting to 7 wins this season.  5 is a realistic goal, and any Tennessee fans should be happy with 6, as that means you won all the games you were favored in and upset someone.  Then go to the Music city bowl or something like that.  Could get a 7th win there, depending on opponent.

Tennessee last season had a strong senior class and a strong freshmen class.  Senior class and Eric Berry are gone.  Next season their strength will be in their freshmen and Soph classes.  Fulmer really did not get it done those 2 recruiting classes.

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Posted: 11 March 2010 07:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Alabama Bama loses more talent than people think, and they will not be as good as last year, but they will still be too much for Utn.

This should read “Bama doesn’t lose as much talent as people think”
Our offense is going to be a lot better next year. Our O-line is supposed to be better even if we lose a couple. WR’s are going to be much better and we return the best RB tandem in the country. Our defense is replacing McClain (though a tough loss) with basically his clone in Hightower coming back after surgery. To be honest our DB’s are going to be more athletic and faster. Safety will have one of the best in the SEC in Barron. LBs are loaded. D-line will be better even with losing just about everybody. Best player on the D-line, Darius, is coming back.

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Posted: 13 March 2010 09:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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TBE, It is not a matter of who the former players want the next coach to be - it’s just making sure that the head coach is a individual of character and class. Quite frankly I like Dooley. He is a young coach from the old school. He understands the importance of tradition without sacrificing progression. He is in a bad situation, and with understanding the climate on “The Hill” I am not sure how much patience they will have with him. Dating back to the Gen. Neyland era only one head coach that was not a UT alum has had national success at Tennessee and that was Doug Dickey. Therefore when the time comes it needs to be a Tennessee Guy. Just my opinion.

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Posted: 14 March 2010 04:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Not to sway topics here, but just as a personal reply to tider4life.  Returning most of the offense on a national championship football team is a welcoming return, to say the very least.  Without question, Ingram and Richardson present perhaps the most talented backfield in the country, that’s difficult for anyone to dispute.  McElroy was lights out in the SEC and BCS championship games and provides stability, experience and confidence returning.  Bama also returns 3 starters on the O-line and highly touted 2009 recruit DJ Fluker will likely take over duties at right tackle while I believe Alfred McCullough will be moved to left guard, and John Michael Boswell is also an option there.  The line isn’t missing much and I would agree they’ll be much improved.

As far as the receivers go, Julio Jones is an incredible talent, no doubt about that, but he looked lazy running routes at times and dropped a considerable amount of passes.  If he entertains any thought of declaring early for the draft, he can’t afford to do that.  Marquis Maze and Darius Hanks bring familiarity back, and with 3 top 2009 recruits in Kenny Bell, Michael Bowman and Kendall Kelly they will be much deeper at the position than they were last year.

No one, including myself, was implying Bama was missing talent and experience on the offensive side of the ball.  It’s the reason I have them ranked first in my pre-spring poll.  What they have lost and are missing, however, is the talent, experience and presence of the 9 starters they are losing.  That’s over 80% of their national championship caliber defense - the horse that got them there.

Potentialities abound, none of us can say one way or the other that these losses will be more or less impactful until we are through the season and able to look back.  One thing I do know is most coaches, and more importantly, Nick Saban, prefer playing and starting their more experienced and matured players to their talented but unrefined ones.  Hightower is a phenomenal athlete, but he’s anything but a McClain clone.  McClain is an elite talent in his range, versatility, instincts and understanding of the position.  It’s rare to find a linebacker so heady, but utilizes the wreckless abandon style of play.  He’ll move inside and Nico Johnson, who played well in relief, will stay weakside. 

Dareus is a going to be a rock on the end, but the other side is still a question.  I also say good luck trying to get Chapman or anyone else to plug holes and move bodies the way Cody did. 

If the defense is the only question that team has, I’m none too concerned if I’m a Bama fan with Saban’s brilliant defensive mind running the show.  As I said, they have lost more talent than most people realize.  That doesn’t mean they’re irreplaceable, but the unity and precision in which that defense thrived on will have to be tweaked and there’s no doubt in my mind they’ll still be one of the best in the country, but not anywhere near the quality they were last year.

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